Test only a waste of time? or Not

**AG5678** · 01-15-2005, 10:41 AM

Hey bros ok I am really confused. First lets start with stats
5'10
155lb
8.96 b/f
1.) Just to let you know cause I know people are going to say that is real light I was a novice in boxing and I was so light because I was staying in my weight class.

2.) I am on a good diet I have already gained 7lb in the first 3 weeks.
3.) I was heading toward the direction of not juicing till another 3-4 years but I think I want to do a Test only cycle.
4.) My question is how good is a test only cycle? The two cycles I were going to do were:
wk 1-8 500mg Sustonon 250 (1cc monday, 1cc friday)
wk 1-8 400mg Deca (1cc monday, 1cc friday)
wk 2-11 10mg nolva ED (or 20mg depending on bloat)
wk 10-12 2,000 iu HCG every third day for 15 days
wk 12-14 100mg clomid ED for 15 days (10 more days at 50mg if nuts are still small)
OR
wk1-4 25mgs of d-bol ED
wk1-10 400mgs of test enan.(200mgs on mon. 200mgs on thur.)
wk1-10 400mgs of deca.(same as test 200mgs twice a week)
wk1-10 10mgs of nolvadex ED
wk1-12 500 i.u's of hcg a week
5.) The reason I don’t want to do any of those cycles because I want to hold off and wait because those are getting into the advanced stages of steroids . I just am thinking of doing a test only what test would you recommend and how much WEIGHT could I gain? Is test only worthless or should I just hit one of those other cycles? Plus I don’t think a test would shut me down hard at all?

**AG5678** · 01-15-2005, 10:42 AM

thank god it finally worked to let me start a thread

**AG5678** · 01-15-2005, 11:15 AM

bump

**Pale Horse** · 01-15-2005, 11:17 AM

Why the deca ?

**Pale Horse** · 01-15-2005, 11:20 AM

well it would help if I read the WHOLE THING! Duh. Sorry , yes I think everyone should start with test and work from there. Is it a Golden Rule? NO. But it is my opinion that it is as close to Natty that one can get on a cycle.

**Scooby1** · 01-15-2005, 11:24 AM

I agree try a test only cycle. Use your anti E's and PCT. As for how much weight you will gain depends on how much your diet and training. It just depends.

**groverman1** · 01-15-2005, 11:28 AM

My 1st cycle was 500mg 12 wks test enanthate and gained 22lbs retained 15lbs.

**stayinstacked** · 01-15-2005, 11:32 AM

My honest opinion is to not do anything until another 3-4 years like you had first planned on. At 5'10 and 15 lbs you are hardly near ready to cycle. Even an ectomorph(genetically skinny) can get to 180 lbs with heavy eating and training, if you juice up now your only short-changing yourself by building upon foundations that arent there. Remember bro, it's not about how fast your able to get there, in this sport it's about how far your able to go. Dont juice yet. My .02

**v-force700** · 01-15-2005, 11:34 AM

For the first and IMO your second cycle should be Test only. At your weight and size, and considering you are still gaining without juice. I would do a cycle of 400mg Test E or Test C. Split @ 200mg mon/thur. 10-12 weeks. Run Nolva @ 10 mg. ED. and Start PCT 14 days after last inj.
With good diet and hard training you should be good to go.
Good luck...<<<V>>>

**AG5678** · 01-15-2005, 12:11 PM

any other opinions?

**Jantzen4k** · 01-15-2005, 12:16 PM

ethanate 450-500mgs and anavar

***xxx*** · 01-15-2005, 12:44 PM

u r 155 lbs and u want 2 start juicing? bro, no flaming, but start eating! with those stats u shouldn t start anything, but a lot of carbs and protein.

**AG5678** · 01-15-2005, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by ***xxx***

u r 155 lbs and u want 2 start juicing? bro, no flaming, but start eating! with those stats u shouldn t start anything, but a lot of carbs and protein.

Yea i know thanks for being trying to be kind about it

IDK if you read it all but im already on a diet right now and lovin it gained 7lb the first 3 weeks.

**AG5678** · 01-15-2005, 01:12 PM

im prob just going to hold off till another 3-5 years then hit the juice but its going to take alot of discipline but i think i can do it. Any other replies would still he helpful

***BajanBastard*** · 01-15-2005, 01:13 PM

Well it looks like you're commited to this so i won't tell you to try being natural. Test only is good Test and another anabolic (deca or eq) is even better IMO.

**Nicky B** · 01-15-2005, 01:59 PM

I would say try to get to 170 then do some test at 500mg a week i suggest.

**ChefJ** · 01-16-2005, 01:39 AM

If your bf% is that low then you can probably put on some mass by just changing diet sleeping patterns and training routine. I think that starting juice now may boost your confidence in gaining weight. If you were to do one cycle now and then wait a while and grow on that first cycle then you shold e good to go. But its late and I;m babling.