Cycle Layout Need Advice

this cycle will be for my buddy which one is better goals burn fat gain lean mass about 15lbs keepable gains

weeks 1-4 prop 120mg eod (i know ed but my boy wont do ed shots)
weeks 1-10 test e 400mg split dose
weeks 8-14 winni 50mg ed
weeks 11-14 prop 120mg eod
weeks 8,10,12,14,16,18 clen dose varies
weeks 1-14 letro .5 ed
weeks 15-19 nolva 20mg ed
weeks 15-18 clomid 100mg ed

or this cycle
weeks 1-4 prop 120mg eod (i know ed but my boy wont do ed shots)
weeks 1-10 test e 400mg split dose
weeks 1-10 tren e 300mg split dose
weeks 8-14 winni 50mg ed
weeks 11-14 prop 120mg eod
weeks 8,10,12,14,16,18 clen dose varies
weeks 1-14 letro .5 ed
weeks 15-19 nolva 20mg ed
weeks 15-18 clomid 100mg ed

u cant gain mass and lose fat. may be on igf or gh but not with steroids.

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Originally Posted by ***xxx***

u cant gain mass and lose fat. may be on igf or gh but not with steroids.

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so i guess tren is just a myth

anyone have comments on these cycles

bump

Why don't any of your buddies join this board? You must have alot of "friends that want to juice". Like it has been stated before, I guess you should research and keep asking until you feel you have the best cycle layed out for yourself.

now that ppl. know that i take they want me to tell what to take so i plan a cycle then post for some feedback

so does anyone have any advice on these cycles

Ok, if he is doing eod shots anyway, prop/tren acetate/winny.
1-10 prop 150 eod
1-8 tren/fina acetate 75mg eod
5-10 winny 100mg eod injected or 50mg ed drank
letro looks fine cut the nolva in half(10mgs)
pct is fine weeks 11-13 or 14

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Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl

Ok, if he is doing eod shots anyway, prop/tren acetate/winny.
1-10 prop 150 eod
1-8 tren/fina acetate 75mg eod
5-10 winny 100mg eod injected or 50mg ed drank
letro looks fine cut the nolva in half(10mgs)
pct is fine weeks 11-13 or 14

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ok this is not my layout bro

can anyone comment on the cycle layout i posted pleezzzzzzzzzzzze!

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Originally Posted by juiceinthehood

ok this is not my layout bro

can anyone comment on the cycle layout i posted pleezzzzzzzzzzzze!

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It stinks, there I said it.

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Originally Posted by ***xxx***

u cant gain mass and lose fat. may be on igf or gh but not with steroids.

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I've lost fat and put on lean mass with just deca and test cyp.

Juice... that's alot of gear and both are very complex cycles... i think both are good, but have to wonder about the guys cycle history... maybe something more simple?

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Originally Posted by SwoleDave

I've lost fat and put on lean mass with just deca and test cyp.

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yeah what he said made no sense to me :scratch:
he might have meant u cant cut and put on mass at the same time ;)

ok seriously i neeed comments on these 2 cycles thanks bros

If he wont shoot ed... then run tren and test enanthate for 12 weeks. then end with prop like you have. Also start HCG at week 6 or so

Try to shoot the prop every 36 hours then.... makes the levels better than EOD

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle

If he wont shoot ed... then run tren and test enanthate for 12 weeks. then end with prop like you have. Also start HCG at week 6 or so

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what about a jumpstart till the test kicks in thats what the first 4 weeks of prop were for (no dbol or drol)and he will use tren enanthate not acetate

so between these 2 cycles which one would be more efective if ur goals are to lose fat and keep about 15lbs of lean mass
everything will be in check diet training etc..

What are these guys "supposed" cycle history? I wouldnt recommend tren for a noob.

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Originally Posted by Stout1

What are these guys "supposed" cycle history? I wouldnt recommend tren for a noob.

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no these are the deca/dbol, dbol/winni cycle type of guys have done roids for years but never the right way so they see me get all buff and keep my gains long term they want to know how i did it and how they can do the same so they are not noobs just not cycle smart

why does everyone say its really juice asking and there is no friend? why lie about it?

THey can jump with prop if they want too.... just I wouldnt waste my time unless I was shooting ED

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle

why does everyone say its really juice asking and there is no friend? why lie about it?

THey can jump with prop if they want too.... just I wouldnt waste my time unless I was shooting ED

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thanks spark ill try to get him to do ed its just these guys are used to orals

thanks for the back up sparkle these cycles are really for gym buddies i think i might start charging a small fee to layout cycles :cool:
there is no need to lie about this were on the net for christ sake its not like i see u guys im not afraid to ask ?'s so if its for me u guys will know it is and if its for a friend then thats what i will post
thanks again spark i guess 4 weeks ed front and 4 weeks ed back is not that bad there is a break in between the ed shots

OK, OK, the cycle is not for you :rolleyes: , Watch yourself at the gym as planning these cycles could get you labeled as the supplier. Tell your buddies and friends to keep quite.

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Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl

OK, OK, the cycle is not for you :rolleyes: , Watch yourself at the gym as planning these cycles could get you labeled as the supplier. Tell your buddies and friends to keep quite.

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these guys can all the stuff they need they just dont know how to use it i was labeled some kind of steroid cycle guru for some reason i guess its because i look lean and muscular and they know i take roids and they look big bloated and all acned up and wanted to know why i dont so this is how it all started i really might charge them to put together cycles. im like a steroidologist cycle making juicing machine.

prop seems fine eod
I find that i can actually feel it leave my body after three days. from exp with sust.
i would suggest fina or tren in there somewhere
i find shooting winnie one day and fina the next works best.
a combined bottle of fina and winnie works nice for cutting.
also maybe something between week 4-8 for the first cycle after you stop using the prop.

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Originally Posted by Chocolate

prop seems fine eod
I find that i can actually feel it leave my body after three days. from exp with sust.
i would suggest fina or tren in there somewhere
i find shooting winnie one day and fina the next works best.
a combined bottle of fina and winnie works nice for cutting.
also maybe something between week 4-8 for the first cycle after you stop using the prop.

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weeks 4-8? i dont get it like what prop is the jump till test e kicks so after week 4 test e will be kicking in
and isnt fina and tren the same


any one else
which cycle would u choose cycle 1 or cycle 2
thanks for the help guys

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