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    Sus 250 Or Deca..need Help And Advice For A First-timer

    Hi guys, i needed some help on what type of substance i should use for a first-timer.

    First of all i have 20 viles each of sus 250 and deca -durabolin from india which are totally legit.

    My goals are to have a lean body, not amazingly huge, more like a models type body. I am 24 years old and have been lifting for 5 years following a very clean diet.

    I need your help/input on which one of these substances i should use and how to use them, thank you for all of your help.

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    500mg sust for 10 weeks is a start.

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    i would go with the sustanon try doing it on a wednesday. one time a week for 10 weeks every wednesday. after the second week try it with some d-bol 10 to 15 mg of d-bol every day but not on non training days for the rest of your 10 week cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigaj23
    i would go with the sustanon try doing it on a wednesday. one time a week for 10 weeks every wednesday. after the second week try it with some d-bol 10 to 15 mg of d-bol every day but not on non training days for the rest of your 10 week cycle.
    wow r u serious
    ok dont listen to this guy

    your better off with a single ester test
    i would go with a test e cycle @ 400mg per week broken down into 2 shots of 200mg every week for 12 weeks also take an anti e during cycle and for pct as well as clomid for pct

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    Quote Originally Posted by big k.l.g
    500mg sust for 10 weeks is a start.
    agreed, shoot it twice a week. Make sure you have the necessary anti e's b4 you start too

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    dats a good cycle. how much d- bol should b taken everyday is 10mg okay or should it b higher

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhorn814
    agreed, shoot it twice a week. Make sure you have the necessary anti e's b4 you start too
    u guys have to stop giving advice u dont even know what u are talking about
    sust should be shot eod at the minimum it has short esters in it as well as long esters

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigaj23
    dats a good cycle. how much d- bol should b taken everyday is 10mg okay or should it b higher
    this is ur first cycle u dont need dbol
    stick with test enanthate @ 400mg for 12 weeks u will be happy with it if ur diet and training are in check
    u have not mentioned anti e's or pct u sure your ready for a cycle
    but u say have the gear already bro u should research first get gear second
    1-12 400mg sust eod
    save the deca for next time u will gain alot off sust especially since ur a virgen to this

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    Sust was designed to last for up the 4 wks. It does not "need" to be shot ed/eod. He does not have a single ester test so he'll have to use the sust.

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    how much d-bol should b taken everyday. is 10mg enough or should i go higher to 15mg. one of u smart guys answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big k.l.g
    Sust was designed to last for up the 4 wks. It does not "need" to be shot ed/eod. He does not have a single ester test so he'll have to use the sust.
    okay internet tough guy

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    if your a first timer you don't need a lot of anything to get good results.
    depending on your weight even a 250mg shot of sust once a week for ten weeks could yeild a hard gain of 10-15 pounds. well those were my results anyways.
    I think you could get amazing results simply by taking 200mg of deca once a week and 250mg of sust every 3 to 4 days. juiceinthehood seems to favour single esters like test enth, or cyp but there have been discussions up before about whether a single ester or a combined (sust) is better on your first time around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juiceinthehood
    okay internet tough guy
    hahah! I like internet badass.

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    can somebody answer me.

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    big start a new topic and don't take d-bol your first time aorund

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    Quote Originally Posted by big k.l.g
    hahah! I like internet badass.
    lmao big what about the prop in the sus i mean theoretically u can shoot sus once a month but in our case (bodybuilding) thats not wise

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigaj23
    can somebody answer me.
    Next time don't hijack other peoples threads Start your own.

    Stats. Cycle histroy. Goals from cycle. Then the cycle you're planning to run.

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    no its not my first time i just need the advice. 10mg of d-bol or 15mg everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juiceinthehood
    u guys have to stop giving advice u dont even know what u are talking about
    sust should be shot eod at the minimum it has short esters in it as well as long esters

    Ah the never ending debate about how often to shoot sust!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by juiceinthehood
    lmao big what about the prop in the sus i mean theoretically u can shoot sus once a month but in our case (bodybuilding) thats not wise
    Don't get me wrong. Sust seems to be best at ed/eod injects. I said you don't "need" to. Feel me?

    People are always counting the prop. What about the phenprop and others?

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    wow, thanks for ur guys advice, im leaning towards just using sus weeks 1-12 400mg eod (juiceinthehoods recomendation)

    i have the gear b'cse i went on a trip to india so i thought i would pick it up, thats why i dont have any anti e's, this leads to the question of anti e's, what would you guys recomend for the cucle i listed above, thanks once again

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigaj23
    no its not my first time i just need the advice. 10mg of d-bol or 15mg everyday.
    First cycle. D-bol only huh? Not a good idea.

    Research: testosterone
    boldenone /EQ
    nandrolone /deca
    oxandrolone/anavar
    stanozolol /winny <---yeah you can drink it.
    methandrostenolone /d-bol.

    letrozole , anastrozole, tomoxifen, clomiphine.

    Read up!

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    no its not my first time can u just answer 10mg of d-bol or 15 a DAY

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    With what?

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    start ur own thread bigaj23, matbe u will get ur question answered there!!

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    at a loss for words really....
    maybe i am just an idiot but did your sust 250 come in 1ml amps?
    if so maybe it would be easier to shoot 250mg eod or 500mg eod... 500 seems like a lot for first time.

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    to answer your question bigaj.... take 3mg a day you have to divide the pill into 5ths with an exacto blade but that will work best for you.

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    yeah it came in 1ml amps so shooting is 2wice a week will be a total of 500mg's (2 1ml amps) is this too much??? there are a lot of mixed views on this...

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    my thoughts would be shooting 1 amp twice a week would be enough for you or if you wanna do it eod just 1 amp is sufficient.

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    lol Was that a joke Chocolate? 3mg d-bol?

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    dont use either or, shoot both, 400mg of each was my 2nd and favourite cycle, ran it 4 10 weeks, great gains, minimal sides, then 4 my third cycle i added dbol 4 the first 6 weeks and halotestin 4 the last 4 weeks.

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    big yes br0 i was being extremely sarcastic man did you like that? baam!
    i liked the exacto knife part myself...

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    250mg dbol ed for 18 weeks
    no thistle needed

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    might as well make it 400mg juice
    250mg seems a little light.
    we will make a pill popper outta him yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate
    might as well make it 400mg juice
    250mg seems a little light.
    we will make a pill popper outta him yet.
    lmao lets make it 500mg ed for 20 weeks

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