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    Arrow Critique my cycle please!

    heres my winter bulker, third cycle:

    1 - 12 Test Prop (75mg)
    6 - 12 Oral winstrol (25mg X2 daily)

    250 UI of HCG twice every week
    1.25mg LETRO every day

    clomid therapy when im coming off

    my question is this, this works out to 9 needles weekly is this too much to handle? all my other cycles were 2 needles weekly. Should I switch to something like enanthate ?

    Also, am I taking the right amount of letro every day?

    Any comments are greatly appreciated, thanks!

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    i love prop, so for me the ed shots r worth it. but it would only b 7 needles wouldnt it? anyways if u think u can handle it then go for it but if not ready for ed shots then test e or cyp would b the way to go.

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    also i wouldnt run hcg but...

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    why not HCG ? I thought it was better for recovery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vestax
    heres my winter bulker, third cycle:

    1 - 12 Test Prop (75mg)
    6 - 12 Oral winstrol (25mg X2 daily)

    250 UI of HCG twice every week
    1.25mg LETRO every day

    clomid therapy when im coming off

    my question is this, this works out to 9 needles weekly is this too much to handle? all my other cycles were 2 needles weekly. Should I switch to something like enanthate ?

    Also, am I taking the right amount of letro every day?

    Any comments are greatly appreciated, thanks!
    this is not a bulker.....hcg not needed

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    I dont want to get huge im trying to find a median between bulk and cut, I want to get really strong throughout the cycle too. Is this a bad idea? what would you recommend

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    Quote Originally Posted by vestax
    I dont want to get huge im trying to find a median between bulk and cut, I want to get really strong throughout the cycle too. Is this a bad idea? what would you recommend
    he's not sayin its bad hes just sayin its not a bulker cycle therefore hcg is not needed. i think the cycle looks ok. hcg wouldnt b bad but just not necesary.

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    are you only supposed to use HCG on bulker cycles?

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    i dont use hcg at all, i prefer trib. but if u do a longer more complex cycle consisting of more compounds then its a good idea to aid in recovery. but for a simple cycle like urs no need.

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    what would your ideal cycle be? I plan on bulking up but dropping my bf% at the same time so I still get the sixpack for the summer. If i switch to a different kind of test whats the next best?

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    i run hcg with all cycles
    but ur cycle does not need it
    looks good but since ur shooting ed u can throw in some tren then ur cycle will be awesome
    prop,tren,winni great gains and great strength gains also

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    my buddy was shooting every day and had to stop after like 4 weeks because he said it was too ridiculous is there a trick to it or just suck it up?

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    its hard to bulk up and lose bf at the same time bro. either one ot the other. i say bulk up now then hit the cardio and u'll b good by summer. it all deoends on diet as well. if ur diet is good while ur bulking and u do cardio 3x a week u wont put in much fat.

    my ideal cycle is probably the one im one now:
    wks 1-22 prop 150mg/ed
    wks 1-19 eq 500mg/week
    wks 1-19 deca 400mg/week
    wks 1-36 or so gh 4ius/ed
    addin slin 10ius pwo for 4 weeks. maybe turinabol last 6 weeks at 50mg/ed but not sure.

    ideal cycle for wut u want would probably b the one ur doing maybe add some eq or something to it. or some fina would b good. just get ur diet in check and go fro m there
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    Quote Originally Posted by juiceinthehood
    test prop wont bloat u as much and tends to make u harder than other tests and it gives u better strength gains
    test-e will bloat and give u nice mass u shoot it 2x a week

    if ur trying to burn fat and gain mass and harden up u could do a cycle like this
    weeks 1-4 prop 50mg ed (jumpstart)
    weeks 1-10 test e 250mg 2x a wk.
    weeks 1-10 tren e 200mg 2x a wk.
    weeks 11-14 prop 75mg ed
    weeks 9-14 winni 60mg ed
    weeks 1-19 b-6 200mg ed
    weeks 1-14 letro .5 ed
    weeks 15-19 nolva 20mg ed
    weeks 15-18 clomid (i like 100mg ed)
    just an example
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    that cycle juice posted would b good as well. it basically comes down to if u wanna inject ed or not.

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    I dont know about you guys, but running winny, and then coming off test is not good for my dick, I would run the HCG once a week to be safe and then continue after the cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tycin
    its hard to bulk up and lose bf at the same time bro. either one ot the other. i say bulk up now then hit the cardio and u'll b good by summer. it all deoends on diet as well. if ur diet is good while ur bulking and u do cardio 3x a week u wont put in much fat.

    my ideal cycle is probably the one im one now:
    wks 1-22 prop 100mg/ed
    wks 1-19 eq 500mg/week
    wks 1-19 deca 400mg/week
    wks 1-36 or so gh 4ius/ed
    addin slin 10ius pwo for 4 weeks. maybe turinabol last 6 weeks at 50mg/ed but not sure.

    ideal cycle for wut u want would probably b the one ur doing maybe add some eq or something to it. or some fina would b good. just get ur diet in check and go fro m there
    why eq and deca and why deca so long
    22 weeks of ed shots im just thinking about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carguy
    I dont know about you guys, but running winny, and then coming off test is not good for my dick, I would run the HCG once a week to be safe and then continue after the cycle.
    if u run the test longer than the winny u shouldnt have a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juiceinthehood
    why eq and deca and why deca so long
    22 weeks of ed shots im just thinking about it
    eq and deca do different things and go well together IMO, and i wasnt gon run the deca that long but ill give it a shot i might stop at wk 12-13. and ed shots r getting old fast but ill tough it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tycin
    eq and deca do different things and go well together IMO, and i wasnt gon run the deca that long but ill give it a shot i might stop at wk 12-13. and ed shots r getting old fast but ill tough it out.
    your definetly a trooper i envy anyone that can do prop ed for 22 weeks
    i always heard eq and deca are very similar i gues not since eq hardens and gives vascularity and deca gives more mass
    but anyway goodluck with ur cyle bro

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    do you keep the hardness and vascularity with EQ or does it vanish after PCT???

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    Quote Originally Posted by juiceinthehood
    your definetly a trooper i envy anyone that can do prop ed for 22 weeks
    i always heard eq and deca are very similar i gues not since eq hardens and gives vascularity and deca gives more mass
    but anyway goodluck with ur cyle bro
    ya ed shots 22weeks is an experience alright! eq and deca go great 2gether im finding.

    thanks bro.

    btw sorry for hi-jacking ur thread a little vestax

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    Quote Originally Posted by vestax
    do you keep the hardness and vascularity with EQ or does it vanish after PCT???
    u'll still b hard but the vascularity will slowly disapear. which sucks cause im lovin it right now! LOl..

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    Quote Originally Posted by vestax
    do you keep the hardness and vascularity with EQ or does it vanish after PCT???
    eq gives slow steady long lasting gains
    but again it all depends on ur diet and pct that will determine how much gains u keep or lose

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    what sort of a cycle could i put together for a 12/14 weeker that is
    EQ / Test E / winstrol
    and for something like this yes or no to HCG ?

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    what would y'all suggest as far as Letro doseage.
    how many mg's?
    ED, EOD, E3D

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    Quote Originally Posted by vestax
    what sort of a cycle could i put together for a 12/14 weeker that is
    EQ / Test E / winstrol
    and for something like this yes or no to HCG?
    ex:
    wks 1-14 test e 500mg/week
    wks 1-12 eq 500mg/week
    wks 8-14 winny 50mg/ed
    10mg/nolva thruout
    pct.
    i wouldnt use hcg i would go with trib at like 2g/ed then a week or two b4 pct bump it up to 4g. JMO....

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    why nolvadex why not letrozole ? and can I mix the test E + EQ together when I shoot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vestax
    why nolvadex why not letrozole? and can I mix the test E + EQ together when I shoot?
    u can mix it
    letro is stronger than nolva imo
    i like running eq longer than 12 weeks

    weeks 1-12 test e 500mg
    weeks 1-15 eq 500mg ew
    weeks 13-18 prop 75mg ed
    weeks 13-18 winni 60mg ed
    just my opinion

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    I'm grabbing my gear today so I just want to make sure this is an okay cycle:

    wks 1-12 test e 500mg/week
    wks 1-15 eq 500mg/week
    wks 7-12 winny 50mg/ed

    0.5mg letro ED

    what week do I start my PCT on?

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    no u need the test longer, if u want the eq to wek 15 get some prop to end off with like juice posted. and ya letro is good as well i just always nolva. if u end with prop start pct a day after last injection if u end with test e the start pct 2 weeks after last injection.

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    wks 1-12 test e 500mg/week
    wks 1-12 eq 500mg/week
    wks 7-12 winny 50mg/ed

    0.5mg letro ED

    Is this enough letro to take to prevent sides? Do I need nolvadex on hand for PCT as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vestax
    I'm grabbing my gear today so I just want to make sure this is an okay cycle:

    wks 1-12 test e 500mg/week
    wks 1-15 eq 500mg/week
    wks 7-12 winny 50mg/ed

    0.5mg letro ED

    what week do I start my PCT on?
    end last 6 weeks with prop and winni pct 3 days after last prop shot

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    I can't order in those quantities would this work:
    01-10 test e 500mg/week
    01-12 eq 500mg/week
    10-12 test p 75mg ED
    08-12 winny 50mg ED
    Start PCT after last prop shot
    ? Thanks for all the help so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by vestax
    I can't order in those quantities would this work:
    01-10 test e 500mg/week
    01-12 eq 500mg/week
    10-12 test p 75mg ED
    08-12 winny 50mg ED
    Start PCT after last prop shot
    ? Thanks for all the help so far
    ya that would work, but it would b better to run the eq and prop to week 14 or so but if that all u can get then its fine.

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    and then 0.5mg LETRO ed

    for PCT just clomid? do I need nolvadex ?

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    here bro
    weeks 1-4 prop 50mg ed
    weeks 1-10 test e 500mg
    weeks 1-12 eq 500mg
    weeks 11-15 prop 75mg ed
    weeks 10-15 winni 60mg ed
    start pct 3 days after last prop shot

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    Quote Originally Posted by vestax
    and then 0.5mg LETRO ed

    for PCT just clomid? do I need nolvadex?
    .5 letro ed until pct then switch to 20mg ed nolva for pct run it 1 week past the clomid

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    I think the whole shot ED of prop may be too much for me to handle though so I don't want to buy it and get stuck you knwo what I mean? How much size would you expect to gain off something like that? that looks seeeerious

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