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    FBI Cuts Carnivore - Now its your ISPs you have to look out for

    FBI cuts Carnivore Internet probe
    Commerical software now used for investigations

    Wednesday, January 19, 2005 Posted: 8:40 AM EST (1340 GMT)



    WASHINGTON (AP) -- The FBI has effectively abandoned its custom-built Internet surveillance technology, once known as Carnivore, designed to read e-mails and other online communications among suspected criminals, terrorists and spies, according to bureau oversight reports submitted to Congress.

    Instead, the FBI said it has switched to unspecified commercial software to eavesdrop on computer traffic during such investigations and has increasingly asked Internet providers to conduct wiretaps on targeted customers on the government's behalf, reimbursing companies for their costs.

    The FBI performed only eight Internet wiretaps in fiscal 2003 and five in fiscal 2002; none used the software initially called Carnivore and later renamed the DCS-1000, according to FBI documents submitted to Senate and House oversight committees. The FBI, which once said Carnivore was "far better" than commercial products, said previously it had used the technology about 25 times between 1998 and 2000.

    The FBI said it could not disclose how much it spent to produce the surveillance software it no longer uses, saying part of its budget was classified. Outside experts said the government probably spent between $6 million and $15 million.

    The congressional oversight reports were obtained last week under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act by the Washington-based Electronic Privacy Information Center, a civil liberties group that criticized the surveillance software after it was first disclosed in 2000.

    FBI spokesman Paul Bresson said the bureau moved to popular commercial wiretap software because it was less expensive and had improved in its ability to copy e-mails and other communications of a targeted Internet account without affecting other subscribers.

    "We see the value in the commercially available software; we're using it more now and we're asking the Internet service providers that have the capabilities to collect data in compliance with court orders," Bresson said.

    The FBI said last week it was sending back to the drawing board its $170 million computer overhaul, which was intended to give agents and analysts an instantaneous and paperless way to manage criminal and terrorism cases.

    Experts said the life span of roughly four years for the bureau's homegrown surveillance technology was similar to the shelf life of cutting-edge products in private industry.

    "It's hard to criticize the FBI trying to keep pace with technology," said James Dempsey of the Washington-based Center for Democracy and Technology. "There is just a huge amount of innovation and development going on in the private sector."

    Henry H. Perritt Jr., who led an oversight study of Carnivore in 2000 for the Justice Department, said the FBI originally built its own surveillance system because commercial tools were inadequate. Perritt, a professor at the Chicago-Kent College of Law, said he was unaware of any commercial wiretap software that includes audit features robust enough to convince a federal judge that e-mails from innocent Internet users weren't captured by mistake.

    "You'd like to have a package that supervisors within a field office and in Washington could do an audit and make sure they're using the tools compliant with the court order," Perritt said.

    The FBI laboratory division, which produced Carnivore, was headed by Donald M. Kerr, who left the FBI in August 2001 to become the CIA's chief gadget-maker as head of its science and technology directorate. Kerr told lawmakers in 2000 that Carnivore was "far better than any commercially-available sniffer."

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    abn encryption software on a pc take care of this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1victor
    abn encryption software on a pc take care of this?
    Lets hope all of our secure email addresses are safe...The gov't is so shady with things of this nature.

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    I heard that all Mac computers sold after 1999 automatically link up w/ the FBI without you knowing it.



























    j/k

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    Quote Originally Posted by blown
    I heard that all Mac computers sold after 1999 automatically link up w/ the FBI without you knowing it.
    j/k
    i sure as hell hope so

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    I've heard that two well known research labs have developed the "Network Monitoring" tool. If you are using encryption, then you are safe up to some level. The reason is that the tool, which is usually installed at some of the ISP's servers, sniffs the data packets for certain keywords and if it finds one, it gives an alert and they can go straight to your email provider and check all your emails stored there, assuming that your email provider is not in some other country. Furthermore, the tool has the ability to track PCs based on their MAC addresses, which you cannot hide or change unless you get a new network card.
    The good news is that, monitoring all the data packets is very expensive, so the tool sniffs packets randomly, unless you are classified as an "interesting" person. And in this case, you are f***ed up no matter what you do.
    If you really want to be safe, don't use words like "gear" and "roids" in your emails. Just call it anything else.
    Last edited by Alex2; 01-21-2005 at 10:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex2
    I've hearted that two well known research labs have developed the "Network Monitoring" tool. If you are using encryption, then you are safe up to some level. The reason is that the tool, which is usually installed at some of the ISP's servers, sniffs the data packets for certain keywords and if it finds one, it gives an alert and they can go straight to your email provider and check all your emails stored there, assuming that your email provider is not in some other country. Furthermore, the tool has the ability to track PCs based on their MAC addresses, which you cannot hide or change unless you get a new network card.
    The good news is that, monitoring all the data packets is very expensive, so the tool sniffs packets randomly, unless you are classified as an "interesting" person. And in this case, you are f***ed up no matter what you do.
    If you really want to be safe, don't use words like "gear" and "roids" in your emails. Just call it anything else.
    good info if its accurate. thanks.

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    Big brother just keeps getting better and better. Next time you shoot test wave out the window at the gear satellite taking your picture! Seriously though, as a vetran it saddens me to see this government encroach further and further on our freedoms. 100 years ago most drugs were legal, they trusted us to have good sense. Soon our whole flag will be red!

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