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[thewun]

Hey guys this is my first post although I've been using this sites info for about 2 years. Heres my question I am 22 years old 185lb 6'2" single 8% or so body fat, in other words SKINNY. I did a cycle at 20 years old test e at 500mgs a week for 8 weeks gained about thirty pounds(lots of fat and water) got to about 210. My question is now that I have done steroids is it possible for me to get above that 210 with alot less fat and water if I train naturally(assuming diet,sleep,training and supps are correct). The reason that I ask this question is that I have read that once you do steroids you can never grow past what you gained(w/steroids) naturally. I was completely uneducated when I cycled the first time I knew nothing about diet sleep or training correctly. Now that I am educated I beleive that I can obtain my goals(very moderate) with training naturally over the course of about a year or at least reach a natural wall and then use minimal amount of gear to break through. My goal is to be about 210 with single digit body fat.
Can I achive this naturally even though I have done steroids before.

[peump]

Can I achive this naturally even though I have done steroids before.

ABSOLUTLEY!!!!
just eat big, lift big, and sleep big

i went from 165 to a lean 225 following the 3 big's...... no roids

[Mesomorphyl]

If you can hit 200 with 10%bf you would be prime for a cycle. Unfortunately some including myself has hit the sauce before reaching that natural potential. Also the older you get the harder it is. This is why everyone wants you to wait until the 24-25 mark or at least 21.
eat, train, sleep, eat even more but eat clean if you want to have low bf.

[thewun]

Would this be considered clean

chicken breast
cereal(whole grain or cheerios)
whole milk
peanut butter
brown rice
oranges and plums
subway
natures valley bars
trio-plex protein bars
optimum protein
tuna
multi grain bread

most of these are a given but do you guys see anything that you would leave out, this is all I eat just in different patterns and I get about 3000 to 4000 cals a day in 5-8 different meals my work out split is mwf m-legs shoulders w-back bis f-chest tris no cardio. this sound ok

[Mesomorphyl]

Would this be considered clean

subway

What are you fu@king jared or something , go to the diet forum it will be more informational.

[thewun]

wow I can feel the hospitality, thanks for your help meso, profanity always helps accreditation and profesionalism, you must be a doctor of communication on top of the obvious nutrition and training

[Mesomorphyl]

wow I can feel the hospitality, thanks for your help meso, profanity always helps accreditation and profesionalism, you must be a doctor of communication on top of the obvious nutrition and training

You'll get use to it... I do not think a man deserves my respect without getting in the dirt and begging for it first.

LOL, Subway? jokin' bub

[asymmetrical1]

ABSOLUTLEY!!!!
just eat big, lift big, and sleep big

i went from 165 to a lean 225 following the 3 big's...... no roids

this post should come with a warning: RESULTS NOT TYPICAL....
consider yourself very fortunate bro

[t-money]

What are you fu@king jared or something , go to the diet forum it will be more informational.

LMAO...

What ever your diet tyrns out to be, with your body type, you will NOT gain weight on 3000-4000 calories per day.

You need to exceed 4500 on a daily basis.

T

[Jantzen4k]

i went from 130 to 180 naturally

[Dmize9]

First off you should probably get rid of any protien bars if you are trying to keep your diet clean.... Also what is just as important as what you eat, is when you eat it.... post this in the diet forum and you will probably get some better info.

Would this be considered clean

chicken breast
cereal(whole grain or cheerios)
whole milk
peanut butter
brown rice
oranges and plums
subway
natures valley bars
trio-plex protein bars
optimum protein
tuna
multi grain bread

most of these are a given but do you guys see anything that you would leave out, this is all I eat just in different patterns and I get about 3000 to 4000 cals a day in 5-8 different meals my work out split is mwf m-legs shoulders w-back bis f-chest tris no cardio. this sound ok

[t-money]

I went from 175 to 215 natty...

Your diet AND training have to be correct for you & your body.

T

[asymmetrical1]

I went from 175 to 215 natty...

Your diet AND training have to be correct for you & your body.

T

and you have to have the genetics to do so....

[ace ventura]

Hey what the **** is this true? That once you have gained on gear you can't get past that naturally?

I have an additional question though.. If you gain a sertain amount of muscle with gear and loose it over time by any reason. Is it easier to come back to the same level naturally than getting there (naturally) if you didn't have those gains in the first place? In the same way as it is easy for a person to reach 210 lbs if he has been there before..

Sorry for my bad english right now.

[ace ventura]

I was thinking about "muscle growth memory" or whatever it's called.

[ace ventura]

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