gains for a first cycle uncommon

**NFG123** · 03-25-2002, 11:58 PM

What kind of gains can I expect for a first cycle for

500 mg sus alone x 8 weeks

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What if i add dbol . 20 mg ED week 1 - 4

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Assume diet is optimized and .5 mg liquidex / day and clomid therapy per usual.

**quasar** · 03-26-2002, 12:00 AM

50 lbs

**NFG123** · 03-26-2002, 12:01 AM

so ... a good 50 lean lbs off sustanon @ 500 mg x 8 weeks ... do I have any SERIOUS replies?

**quasar** · 03-26-2002, 12:03 AM

i'm just screwin wit ya, it's late and i am bored. i don't really know. sorry. good luck with the cycle though

**NFG123** · 03-26-2002, 12:04 AM

thanks for the honesty, at least ...

**NightOp** · 03-26-2002, 12:04 AM

lol quasar...

NFG123, someone will know and reply and help you, however they will best be able to help with your question if you provide some stats/info about yourself...

**NFG123** · 03-26-2002, 12:06 AM

First cycle....

5'9", 190 lbs, 10% bf

21 yrs old

Thanks bro.

**NFG123** · 03-26-2002, 12:18 AM

more help?

**Big Rush** · 03-26-2002, 12:39 AM

Man it depends on alot.

YOur diet....? When you say it's "optimized", you don't state exactly how? Bulking or cutting?

Workout routine...bulking or alot of cardio (cutting)...?

My roomate gained 30 lbs off a "Sust 250mg per week for 12 weeks" cycle! It all depends. Eight weeks is kinda shady though.
Bump it up to 10-12 weeks at least bro. I'd say, with all the proper factors above, on a moderate bulking cycle, 20-30 lbs (alot of water) if run for 10-12 weeks at least. To prevent water retention, which you will most likely have, use Liquidex or Arimidex .

If you have any questions, feel free to ask, I will do my best to answer them or refer you to someone who can.

Peace

**Hitman** · 03-26-2002, 01:33 AM

Hey BIG why do you suggest to go 12 weeks instead of 8? has this length been proven to bare better results? i too plan on doing an eight week cycle and based upon research and seeing my friends pack on the beef i would think 8 weeks is ok. Not being argumentitive, honestly, just need it explained thank ........PS- i would add the Dbol weeks 1-4 at 35mgs a day...... HITMAN

**King Samson** · 03-26-2002, 03:16 AM

There are many variables but if you are looking for personal experieces, I gained 25lbs on my first cycle even though I don't think that I was eating enough. Good luck.

**D00fy** · 03-26-2002, 08:01 AM

everyone looks at AS as the miracle drug,AS wont do shit for you unless your training,dieting,rest is #1 in priority,i pushed my 1st cycle far down the road cough (NOT THAT LONG) cough until i can find the perfect diet,and chest routine until than im hovering around AR and annoying the crap of everyone by learning

**Dr.Evil** · 03-26-2002, 11:04 AM

too many variables.

anywhere from 0lbs to 40lbs (not all lean mass) based on your stats.

**tx_iron** · 03-26-2002, 07:20 PM

id say youll break 200 easy... probably 15lbs and you should def. do atleast 10wks. get the dbol too....youll gain over 20

**gymnut4u** · 03-26-2002, 08:49 PM

10- 12 lbs after the water is gone , good luck bro !

**PunkRawk** · 03-26-2002, 08:52 PM

i gained 45 off that exact cycle....

**NFG123** · 03-28-2002, 01:34 AM

Hey bros.

Thanks for all the great advice.

If I use the dbol @ 20 mg ED and throw in arimidex throughout the whole cycle at .5 mg ED will that be enuogh to keep the water down ... and not get that "water loss" that is so psychologically devestating at the end of a cycle?

NFG