need help asap by pro

Ok here goes

Last year (end 2004) I had very low test levels (not going in detail now as my question is irelevant)

I decided to take restandol (anadriol) 3 times a day 1 tab which I quickly corrected after a week to about 5-6 tabs spread daily, Now after 1 week I also started taking 20 mg of nolvadex

I continued this for 8 weeks (about) and it really helped me, it didnt give me a big appearance diferrance but I felt healthy and my sex drive was good (even thogh it started going down again but that may have been phsycological)

So I switched to 500 test ethanuate a week (mons and thurs) using anadriol (restandol) together first week,

I relise they say there isnt a dif till 5-6 weeks but I started seeing a big dif straight away especially in my nipples! GYNO

now I had a tendancy so Im not blaming the roids Im blaming my ignorance, anyway I was advised to stop the test and I did and went to 40 mgs nolvadex for a week or so then went int pct. 60 mgs nolvadex for 2 weeks and then 40 for 3 I then went to 20 (figured Ill do 20 a day till I get gyno removed surgically) But pain in nipples again so after a week I went up to 40 again for a week then 20 PAIN and stuff again and I can see the diferance, so I took 80 mg for a week then 60 mg for 2 weeks and now I was planing on going 40 for 3 weeks BUT I still have that pain and feeling!!!

here is the thing, most likely my test is down again and estrogens are taking over (even though my sex drive is climbing!) I have some photo shoots coming up in may and I need to lose weight (about 10-15 kiloes I guess) but also be buffed (Im buffed now but also FAT) while I was on test I actually lost fat and gained muscle (my body prob needed test)

I was thinking I should not go to 40 mgs nolvadex for 3 weeks BUT INSTEAD try elliminating estrogens by taking 50 mg proviron a day with 20 mg nolvadex ( this should aslo help my drive give me a buzz coz low test and also help me with the gyno prob)
I do NOT KNOW if I need to do a pct after an anti estrogen only cycle or how long the maximum I can take this!

also I can (if advised) throw in anadriol (restandol) since it helped or even test injections but I need someone to tell me if its agood idea with my gyno prob (even thouhg im getting it removed in 2 months I dont need bigger tits till then!!!!

anyway please please advise and excuse my very limited knowledgeon this subject, turns out I studdied enouph to know how to do a cycle BUT NOT enouph if stuff goes wrong!

btw if you can please answer asap coz I dunno what to do tomorrow!

access to nolvadex proviron and test (pharmacy) not arimidex or anything else :(

try clomid and hcg if you want an explanation say so and I'll go into detail

thanks but dont want to get int hcg also Im a firm believer that nolvadex and clomid are basically the same (actually nolva a little better)

my question is about combining proviron with nolvadex till surgery and aslo hardening up for photo shoot in may!

also if its ok to run after pct and will it elliminate the high estrogen problem and sided

aslo how do i stop after and should I just do another cycle or not
?
thanks

anyone

multiple opinions are welcome!!!!!!!

listen here are the facts.testosterone is a steroid hormone produced by specialized cells within the testes called Leydig cells. Leydig cells produce testosterone at a rate thats regulated by a controlling hormone called leutinizing hormone LH, released from a gland in the brain. When the LH level is high large amounts of testosterone are produced and released from the testes. When the LH level falls so does the production of testosterone. LH is produced and released by a gland in he brain called the anterior pituitary gland.but is not monitored there.the hyothalamusmonitors test levels.using its own hormone lh releasing hormone the hypothalmus briefly signals the anterior pituitary to release large amountsof lh. The hypothalmus detects testosterone levels by measuring its metabolites, estradiol and dihydrotestosterone. DHT. This system is called the hypothalmic-pituitary-gonadial axis.
There are two drugs that are sought after for accelerating off cycle recovery they are human chronic gonadotropin and clomiphene citrate.
HCG directly stimulates the testes to produce testosterone. I would get into the process but this typing is killing me.
the next drug clomid is totally different though used for the same purpose.clomid does not directly stimulate the testes it interferes with the hormone estradiol and in effect sends signals to start the production of testosterone. again I would get in to the process but why.

ChefJ

That was a great post, Obviously you know your stuff and I got alot to learn form you, but perhaps I didnt ask correctly my question or situation

I have done pct and sex drive and testes are ok (dont know if peaked but thats NOT my issue)

my problem is estrogen and bitch tits, I was prone it got worste and the reson I did pct again was because everytime I tried to finnish it would flair up again

Im getting surgery in a couple of months but need to keep it in check till then also need to lose weight and harden up

I figgure by using 20 mg of nolva WITH 50 proviron would help

also because Im NATURALLY low on test (forget the roids and pct and all that for a minute) the proviron would help me in other ways like the bedroom perhaps?

Im in better sexual arrousmemnt and performance than BEFORE cycle thats why i said the hcg not needed

sorry if I wasnt clear bro

please advise

in other words is there a limit to time use with my idea? could I do it from now till alittle after surgery? 3 - 4 months? without sides?

also I heard proviron is a lil hard on the hairline *I also already have a problem with a reducing hairline- is there somin to help with the dht (I think thats it this is something im not familiar wth)

Yes you should be fine. I personally would run clomid at 50 or 100 mgs per day until then. There have been studies that it can actually take normal test levels above the normal range for men. In other words it is almost like a steroid but not it actually will limit the amount of estradiol in effect increasing free testosterone to above normal levels..

ok cool last question bro

should I do another 3 weeks of nolvadex (finnish second pct even) at 40 mg or go straight to 20 mg plus 50 proviron?

or should i go 40 nolva and 25 prov?

Im just putting nolva instead of clomid for access reasons (Im 100 % sure that the nolva and prov are best quality and I can get it easy!)

also you dontthink i should be going into another cycle before surgery?
even with lets say restandol?

sorry to bother u so much ;)

why don t u get hrt if u have low testo? y would u want to use provirion? use 100mg of cyp or enathate per week and everything should be fine. wouldn t use restadol, it s a waste of money.

proviron and nolva due to gyno prob and prob elevated estrogen levels at this time
want to lose weight and harden up also

hrt have to see a doc after surgery

please give me more info on hrt though and if anti estrogens should be used while on hrt as the docs in Greece are a little more than paranoid after the olympics

for hrt look in the over 30 forum. lots of good infos also for your doc.

guys i still have a question

alt

40 mg nolva for another 3 weeks with 1 proviron (25)
then 20 mg nolva with 2 prov(50)

or straight to 20 mg nolva and 2 proviron!!!!

please keep in mind its for reducing gyno symptoms, hardening also for photo shoot, will go to surgery 1 month before photo

also if you guys could read again my situation in the beginning

anyway if no answer Ill go with 40 gm nolva for 3 weeks with 1 (25) oroviron then 20 nolva and 1 or 2 proviron till a little AFTER surgery

thanks

as I understand it proviron is competing with test for the androgen receptor -why do u want to use proviron?

I would take nolva with some arimidex.

cant get arimidex, been using nolva want to add proviron!

I feel it will help at hardening as well as keeping estrogens in check plus will give me a bodybuilders viagra affect :D

I already did pct almost 2 times so im not worried that much bout getting my test back up as i am not getting worste gyno or losing emouph weight for my photo shoot in may

I know clen would be best but cant get it and i know they used to use proviron alot

nolva is very weak for pct, your in greece get some anfarm clomid

Im going with 50 mg proviron and 20 nolva and see how it goes

ill keep u updated

was going to do another 3 weeks of nolva at 40 then go to it proviron and nolva but was advised just to go for it