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    Will police break safe during search?

    Assume cops serve a search warrant. Will they break into a 600+ pound safe in order to search for apparent steroid possession? Assume this is a simple controlled delivery, and not an intent to sell search.

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    Great Question! Im curious also!

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    im sure they will, if not everyone would just keep shltin a safe and b fine.

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    I think that when they have a search warrant, they can do whatever they want.

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    they definitely will.

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    LOL.. i wish it were that easy to just keep shlt in a safe and for them not to open it!

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    i keep mine in a safe anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by newbrew
    Assume cops serve a search warrant. Will they break into a 600+ pound safe in order to search for apparent steroid possession? Assume this is a simple controlled delivery, and not an intent to sell search.

    thanks
    If the police are looking for evidence do you really think they are going to stare at a huge safe and shrugg their shoulders saying, "I guess nothing's in that safe!" ? NO, they won't do that. They will search everything. If you refuse to open the safe by giving them an excuse, then that will only pique their interest.

    They will do whatever they need to do to get in that safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BASK8KACE
    If the police are looking for evidence do you really think they are going to stare at a huge safe and shrugg their shoulders saying, "I guess nothing's in that safe!" ? NO, they won't do that. They will search everything. If you refuse to open the safe by giving them an excuse, then that will only pique their interest.

    They will do whatever they need to do to get in that safe.
    Img oing to stick the key up my bumm...aint noone going in there

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    Quote Originally Posted by punk_bbuilder
    Img oing to stick the key up my bumm...aint noone going in there
    After the police finish with you, there are a couple of cell mates in the local jail house who might just prove you wrong--a few nights per week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BASK8KACE
    After the police finish with you, there are a couple of cell mates in the local jail house who might just prove you wrong--a few nights per week.

    bask8kase...you always have to give me visuals man! d*mn you!

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    If they have probable cause to have a search warrant. All dwellings on the property like the shed in the back or garage up to and including all rooms including the attic are included. They have belief evidence may be in a safe they will have an open space on the warrant and write it in they took the safe with a brief description. They will take the safe back and cut it open. They can and will leave no stone unturned. If they want they can drill out your driveway if they think you are hiding something under the house.

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    right up there with "can you drink winny"

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    we really need a legal issues forum.....I think it would be a great addition to have all this kind of info in one place.

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    Whatever is in that safe u better find "IT" a new hiding place!!!

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    Read Bask8kace posts ......

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    Quote Originally Posted by C130nav
    It depends on the search warrent. Some warrents are very specific on where they can search and for what. For example if the judge gave the police a warrent to search for a stolen car on your property he might not include such areas as the attic. As this would just be an invasion of your privacy and not a reasonable place to search for a car. However most are very wide reaching and will most likely encompass a safe.

    That is correct. If they have a warrant for say, guns, then if they go in and find $4000 worth of gear they can't touch it, yet. They will be back though.

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    Hide it somewhere else and when they find your safe act real nervous to make them suspicious. They'll never find it then. LOL!

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    C130 posts are somewhat misleading...not that I believe he did it on purpose. If cops come and have a warrant for guns and you have gear, you are **** out of luck. Things found during a legal search and seizure can be used against you. The only way out of this is if they acted illegally. Like they were looking for a car in your house and looked in a drawer. A car could not reasonably be in a drawer so they had no right to be in it. This defense hardly ever works. I would clean house if you are this worried you may have heat. You should be running far enough under radar to leave your gear in a drawer. If not, clean out and find a cool place to do your thing. Hope it helps...JC

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    does a dog pee on brickwalls? of couse they will if u was a cop and you were searching for stuff in some1 's home and they had a safe would you want to look in it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getnsquirrelee
    That is correct. If they have a warrant for say, guns, then if they go in and find $4000 worth of gear they can't touch it, yet. They will be back though.
    Not sure where you got your legal training bro but if the warrant is valid and they find anything else, as long as it is in a location that could have held what the warrant is for, then it is fair game. For instance if they have a warrrant that you stole a statue, and they come in your house and find anything where a statue could fit, it is admissable. However if they go through your drawers looking for a statue, they are SOL if they find anything...unless the warant includes proceeds from criminal activity.

    I agree we should have a legal forum but it would be full of advice like this guys, scaring eveyone or giving them false sence of security.

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    Right on toolman...pretty close to my exact post....too many tv watchers in here.

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    If the cops show up and they ahve a search warrent then they will search everything.....you don't open it they will take it and slice it open or get a locksmith to pick it.

    Do NOT keep more than what you need for week in your home. Find another place to keep things you don't want found. You don't want to jepordize lossing your home or car over something found under a warrant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jc3
    Right on toolman...pretty close to my exact post....too many tv watchers in here.
    Lol...missed it. Could have saved me all that typing!!

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    they might make u open it infront of them, they did that to my cousin in NYC, meanwhile he had nothing in there because he aready moved it to different house

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    I dont keep anything in a safe, just wondering.

    There are a ton of safes out there that require more than a simple lock smith. Many of the better safes would require a specialist. Just wondering if they would go through the trouble for a personal stash. Especially considering there is a chance that it may not even be in there.

    On a side note....if cops trash your house and find nothing, are they then liable for damages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by newbrew
    I dont keep anything in a safe, just wondering.

    There are a ton of safes out there that require more than a simple lock smith. Many of the better safes would require a specialist. Just wondering if they would go through the trouble for a personal stash. Especially considering there is a chance that it may not even be in there.

    On a side note....if cops trash your house and find nothing, are they then liable for damages?
    No, as long as they used reasonable care searching it. If you refuse to open a locked area or safe, and they have to break it to gain access, your loss, regardless of what they find.

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    with a "good enough" search warrant, they can look just about anywhere they want. as long as the place they r looking is big enough to hold or possibly contain the stuff they r searchin for. and needless to say, with 'roids, they come in containers small enough to fit anywhere. so in short, YES they can and prolly will look in it

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    Yeah their not liable for jack. I know I had the cops search my car once for stolen property and they tore it apart. They took all of the speakers out and left them in my driveway. They said that they didn't have to put anything back despite the fact that I had nothing in there and didn't do anything wrong. I hear it is the same way when customs searches your car at the border. They just leave you standing there holding your car parts. kinda sucks.

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    They'd break it in a minute

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    Quote Originally Posted by C130nav
    Yeah their not liable for jack. I know I had the cops search my car once for stolen property and they tore it apart. They took all of the speakers out and left them in my driveway. They said that they didn't have to put anything back despite the fact that I had nothing in there and didn't do anything wrong. I hear it is the same way when customs searches your car at the border. They just leave you standing there holding your car parts. kinda sucks.
    50% true. You had a case if you wanted to pursue it. "They said"--of course they did, the cops don't want to be on the wrong end of a lawsuit-or cause their department to be.
    At the border, you are screwed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stackertoo
    50% true. You had a case if you wanted to pursue it. "They said"--of course they did, the cops don't want to be on the wrong end of a lawsuit-or cause their department to be.
    At the border, you are screwed.
    I wouldnt expect them to put anything back. But, if they broke something, how would they not be liable? Their 'probable cause' was obviously false if they didnt even find anything. At least in the eyes of the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newbrew
    I wouldnt expect them to put anything back. But, if they broke something, how would they not be liable? Their 'probable cause' was obviously false if they didnt even find anything. At least in the eyes of the law.
    Probable cause is not false. Either it exists or it doesn't. If an informant told them there are drugs in there, and the information was not true, it does not meant the PC was no good. It was. You go ahead and try to collect on damages pursuent to a search. Have fun!

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    if the filth come to your house with a search warrant then there's not really much you can hide although they can be pretty clueless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newbrew
    I dont keep anything in a safe, just wondering.

    There are a ton of safes out there that require more than a simple lock smith. Many of the better safes would require a specialist. Just wondering if they would go through the trouble for a personal stash. Especially considering there is a chance that it may not even be in there.

    On a side note....if cops trash your house and find nothing, are they then liable for damages?
    in my opion it would depend on whether they thought that what they had on you would be worth the trouble

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    Ok,here is the deal as far as the safe goes. Hell yes they can open it without a warrent.I used to think the same thing and so I went out and bought a huge safe. I mean this thing was like fort knox.Mcgyver couldnt have broke into this thing and when the police raided my house( because of coarse I was selling) I felt like I would be ok,becaus all my drugs and money were in the safe. So any way they have me at the station and they are like we know that you have drugs in the house,so do you want to tell us were they are? and the whole time I am thinking I am good,so I am like fu*k off as*hole you havnt got sh*t.Well turns out they did and I spent the next 2years 4months and 16days in prison trying to figure out how in hell they got into the safe. So I urge you ,DONT DEPEND ON A SAFE TO PROTECT YOU!!!!

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    maybe not break it, but they might call a locksmith

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