First Cycle Planning, Pls Critique :)

**Anteros** · 02-11-2005, 11:03 AM

Hey guys, quick background...

July I was 125 and getting tired of it so began to bulk, August 135, November 140, after taking it a little more seriously and getting info from a lot of great people here, reached 150 in december. Started eating everything in sight and by mid december i was 155 with a belly and losing my abs, fixed a few things and now reached 160 and bellies gone, abs are back w/ slight lovehandles remaining, maybe 12%, and water from the creatine.

I was considering ph but said @#$@ it. Im going to continue my natural bulking until exams are over , and by mid may or so, planning on starting a cycle.

Heres how I want it to look:

Cycle:
weeks 1-4: Dbol at 25g a day
weeks 1-12: Test Enanthate at 500mg/week
weeks 1-12: nolva at 10mg/day

(continute nolva at 10mg/day for 2 weeks leading up to pct)

PCT (started 14 days after last injection):
-Nolva at 20mg/day for the 3 weeks

-Clomid, days:
1- 300mg
2-11 100mg
12-21 50mg

Supps/Other:
-Tons of Whey
-Liver - milk thistle
-Blood pressure - hawkthorne berry extract
-Acne - various neutrogena cleansing products and frequent cleansing
-Hair Loss - xandrox 5% (minoxidil w/ azelaic acid, to maintain 365 days a year), spironolactone (basically topical form of propecia for enhanced dht inhibition)

Diet:
LeanMeOut sticky almost to a "T", slight variations but maintain 8 meals a day and 3000+ cals

Training:
Traditional 3-day split has worked the best for me, while "on" I think I'll split legs and shoulders and have the 4 day split, chest/tris, back/bis, shoulders, legs. Focus on core exercises with 6-10 sets pery body part, heavy weight with slow movement.

Objectives:
Maintaining a weight of 180 and losing a little body fat, after pct and loss of water retention, with minimal side effects.

Questions:
Is the Nolva run during period between last injection and pct a problem?
Should I up the Nova?
How does it look?

Thanks a lot for the help guys!

**BodyMechanic** · 02-11-2005, 11:07 AM

i up my nolva to 20mg during pct. everything else looks good.

**c5529** · 02-11-2005, 11:09 AM

I think it looks good and that you'll be pleased. You have definitely done your research an put together a well thought out plan....Let us know how it works for you....Good luck Bro,

**Susguy** · 02-11-2005, 11:11 AM

looks pretty good.. keep us updated.

**Anteros** · 02-11-2005, 12:36 PM

thanks for the replies, but theres no way im getting off this easy, there must be some suggestions ?!

**GetPumped** · 02-11-2005, 03:05 PM

Looks good to me bro....obviously you have done your research and that is why you don't have a lot of people telling you to do something different. Good luck bro and happy growing.

Oh and if you really want a suggestion......EAT EAT EAT!

**c5529** · 02-11-2005, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by GetPumped

Looks good to me bro....obviously you have done your research and that is why you don't have a lot of people telling you to do something different. Good luck bro and happy growing.

Oh and if you really want a suggestion......EAT EAT EAT!

Yeah, take it as a good sign that you don't have many responses!!!!!!! That means you've put together a good cycle!!!!!

**BDTR** · 02-11-2005, 03:21 PM

Got my thumbs up on it, even though I dont feel the dianabol is needed.

**c5529** · 02-11-2005, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by bdtr

Got my thumbs up on it, even though I dont feel the dianabol is needed.

BDTR, just for my own info, why don't you think he should thake the dbol ? It will give him a bit of jump start to the Test -- just curious?

**BDTR** · 02-11-2005, 03:30 PM

Because I advocate only starting out with one compound for your first cycle, in the end the gains will be the same. That being said, dbol IS fun so I can see why he would want to add it. It's not a huge deal, just something i reccomend.

**Property of Steroid.com** · 02-11-2005, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anteros

Questions:
Is the Nolva run during period between last injection and pct a problem?
Should I up the Nova?
How does it look?

No.
No.
Fine.

**Big Rig** · 02-11-2005, 03:41 PM

I think your cycle looks good bro. Only thing I would recommend is getting some blood work done.

My first cycle:

500mg Test-E wk 1-10
400mg Deca wk 1-10
40mg Dbol wk 1-4

Blood tests before, during, and after the cycle. Reason being this is a hefty first cycle and dont' want to UD or OD

I'm not small but not huge 5' 11" 230lb

Good Luck!

**Anteros** · 02-11-2005, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Big Rig

I think your cycle looks good bro. Only thing I would recommend is getting some blood work done.

My first cycle:

500mg Test-E wk 1-10
400mg Deca wk 1-10
40mg Dbol wk 1-4

Blood tests before, during, and after the cycle. Reason being this is a hefty first cycle and dont' want to UD or OD

I'm not small but not huge 5' 11" 230lb

Good Luck!

thanks for the replies guys...

yes im getting blood work done before during and after... i had to convince my doctor last week to let me take one, he said "why ure perfectly healthy?", i said i wanna check my test levels...lol, hes like does this have anything to do with steroids ?... i gave an open-mouthed..."what're you kidding me, no way!!"

and BDTR, im considering the dbol, gotta see how much this is gonne run me first...but yes from what ive heard it is a fun start to the cycle...but maybe i should give my liver a break and not take it...

**Property of Steroid.com** · 02-11-2005, 04:55 PM

Remember, man...your doctor works for you, not the other way around. He can get with the program, or he can lose your buisness.

**c5529** · 02-11-2005, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by hooker

Remember, man...your doctor works for you, not the other way around. He can get with the program, or he can lose your buisness.

Well said. It seems like many drs don't seem to understand that.....

***Mr. Sparkle*** · 02-11-2005, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by c5529

Well said. It seems like many drs don't seem to understand that.....

tell him either way your going to cycle.... so might as well help you out and run your blood... or off to the next office you go

**jbol** · 02-11-2005, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by bdtr

Because I advocate only starting out with one compound for your first cycle, in the end the gains will be the same. That being said, dbol IS fun so I can see why he would want to add it. It's not a huge deal, just something i reccomend.

i totally agree with bdtr for the fact that if you have any undesirable sides you will know what caused them.

**TheMudMan** · 02-11-2005, 08:32 PM

The only changes I would make is run Nolva through the cycle and PCT at 20mg ED and pump the D-bol up 35 or 40mg ED. The D-bol isn't needed but it will give you a nice jump on the cycle while you wait for the Enan to kick in.

One other change would be for PCT run Clomid at 100mg for 30 days with 20mg of Nolva.

You layed yourself out a nice cycle... good job and good luck.

**Rickson** · 02-11-2005, 08:40 PM

I agree with Mudman to bump the dbol up to at least 35 and upping the nolva will help more with bloat. Other than that it is a pretty basic and classic cycle. Enjoy it and let us know your results.

**Anteros** · 02-12-2005, 12:44 AM

thanks for the replies guys,

is upping the nolva to 20 during cycle only for bloat? tell u the truth i wouldnt mind the water retention too much, but of course if its gonna complicate things for my system to have that much water then ill take 20 throughout.