02-11-2005, 10:54 PM #1
Is TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE really all that?
I've been doing my research about test e , deca , and sust for a while now (to see what's better for a first cycle), but I'm confused a bit.
The reason why is because the "Steroid Effectiveness Chart"http://www.steroid.com/effect.php on steroid.com shows that the keep gains of test e to be at 1 star, and sust at 2 stars, and deca at a whopping 4 stars.
Why is everyone suggesting a first-time cycle of 500mg/week test-e (with PCT), when the keep gains are not good at all? Or is this chart simply not accurate?
Some clarrification relating to that chart would be of great appreciation.
02-11-2005, 10:59 PM #2
02-11-2005, 11:00 PM #3
It's all that and a bag of chips
02-11-2005, 11:33 PM #4Member
Originally Posted by bigbagz
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02-11-2005, 11:38 PM #5
charts are outdated.. and enanthate blood levels are much easier to keep stable then sust or prop or susp etc... enan or cyp is the best out there in my opinion
the more stable the blood levels= the more gains
02-12-2005, 12:00 AM #6
02-12-2005, 12:28 AM #7
It's a lot easier on you injection wise since you can run 500-1000mg a week in very few shots, as opposed to prop and suspension.
02-12-2005, 12:39 AM #8
02-12-2005, 12:45 AM #9
To better answer your question...
Deca will infact actually help you grow better than Test E will. Running Deca alone would cause many unwanted side effects... but if you run the combo of Test and Deca together, you'll get the best of both worlds.
I dont think Test should be at 1 star, but its very easy to lose most, if not all your gains if you dont have proper PCT and motivation... but that goes with all gear.
Last edited by EastCoaster; 02-12-2005 at 12:48 AM.
02-12-2005, 01:18 AM #10Senior Member
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I keep roughly 85-90% of my gains on test, with proper PCT, diet, training, etc etc. The other 10-15% is usually strength
Last edited by PurePower; 02-12-2005 at 01:20 AM.
02-12-2005, 03:37 AM #11
02-12-2005, 04:00 AM #12Originally Posted by bigbagz
With test E you can go with a lower dose and keep your blood levels in place..(almost )
02-12-2005, 04:01 AM #13
BTW that list IS outdated as the bros says...
02-12-2005, 10:39 AM #14Junior Member
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Test E is great but I grew up on Cyp and Sust250. The funny thing is even after years of dong cycles I did a simple Test E cycle and I got some of the best results of my life from it.
EastCoaster did a good job explaining why you should use test with deca but with me (someone who puts on fat and bloat easily) I like to run prop with it to keep me lean and all that jazz.
02-12-2005, 10:44 AM #15
Last edited by John88Test; 10-08-2008 at 05:49 PM.
02-12-2005, 11:51 AM #16
The 50ml jugs are the schiznit (if you don't have the raw materials of course)
02-12-2005, 12:44 PM #17
i just use it cause it makes my mushroomhead grow!
02-12-2005, 12:46 PM #18
better than sex
02-12-2005, 01:23 PM #19
Its the only test Ive used but its great
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