Whatcha guys think???

[Tyson2481]

after reading and reading and reading here is what i have come up with for a novice cycle (1st time).

week 1-12 500mg test/E (galinka) (split into 2 shots a week)
week 1-4 50mg Dbol ED
week 1-12 20mg of Nolva

PCT
week 14-16 Clomid
day 1 300mg
day 2-11 100mg ed
day 12-21 50 mg ed

Age: 30
BF: 18%
Weight: 210
Height: 6'

diet consists of maximum protein and minimal carb/fat intake..

what yall think??

[alluprbdy]

Lower d-bol to 30-40 mg ed everything else looks good bro.

[alluprbdy]

1 more thing your gonna need a lot of carbs too dont lower them to much bro.

[***xxx***]

sounds ok, but definitely lower the d-bol.

[Tyson2481]

great i figured that 50 mg was kinda high but it differs with diff peeps... thanks guys ill lower it to like 35 or 40 ....gotcha!!

[Hed]

You wanna keep the carbs up also man, and the calories. And some fat....

[Tyson2481]

ya i hear that i need to EAT EAT EAT and EAT some more ...will do fellas thanks for the help

[*Narkissos*]

i'd run the Pct for 21 days at least

and i'd lower the Nolva on cycle to 10mg ED

[*Narkissos*]

Just re-read and saw that you have

clomid weeks 14-16 (i.e. 2 weeks)..yet still in the dosage split you have it set out for 21 days.

All in all..it's a standard first cycle

[Tyson2481]

whys that narkissos? i can see running the clomid 21 days but how will running 10 mg of nolv differ from 20 mg of nolva..and isnt the PCT primarily for sides and maintainging your gain.. Correct me if im wrong im just a newb that dont wanna F*** myself up ....again thanks for all your help bros

[Tyson2481]

ah my bad i need to rephrase that guys from week 14-16 to week 14-17 thanks for catching that bro..

[elitetky]

hmm , if u feel 40mg its not in enough then you have to increase to 50mg why brothe ?
personally wont do that just hit it hard 50mg i think its a average dose and some more you are 30years old dude 30mg??

[*Narkissos*]

You wanna keep the carbs up also man, and the calories. And some fat....

Carbs, fat, and protein are essential for creating that optimum environment in which muscle growth occurs... a deficiency in one or more aspects of your diet will short-change the results of your cycle... visit the diet forum

[twiztidjuggalo74]

also carbs are your source of energy if you arent taking in around 150 grams a day you are going to be taking your energy from your protein

[Tyson2481]

gotcha . ive been kinda used to eating low carb so as to loose some fat, jsut gotta get back into eating good quality carbs not BS candy n junk....gotcha guys

[*Narkissos*]

whys that narkissos? i can see running the clomid 21 days but how will running 10 mg of nolv differ from 20 mg of nolva..and isnt the PCT primarily for sides and maintainging your gain.. Correct me if im wrong im just a newb that dont wanna F*** myself up ....again thanks for all your help bros

The point of running Nolva during a cycle (well one point at least) is to minimize oestrogen adherance to its relative receptor site..thus minimizing side effects related to too high estrogen levels.
Minimize versus eliminate...that's the point. There is a synergy between estrogen/test/t3/cortisol/gh/ and muscle growth... thus totally eliminating (or lowering too low..as would be the case of too high a dose of tamoxifem) isn't advisable..

Hope i worded it properly

Mods.. correct me if i'm off a bit.. it was just off the top of my head

~Nark

[Tyson2481]

i get your point bro....good choice of words ......thanks

[BodyMechanic]

Nark. is right i would just run 10mg nolva until Pct. unless you get symptoms of gyno.During PCT i would up to 20mg.

[Tyson2481]

ok ill go with 10 then one more question guys how about throwing some t-3 in the mix for more fat loss?????

[Tyson2481]

bump

[*Narkissos*]

Check the t3 post be Mallet... but t3 in the mix is a great idea..if you use correctly

e.g.
12.5 mcg tru-out a cycle... for cycle synergy i.e. leaner gains

or
at a higher dosage for fat-loss

Test&t3... if i were gonna make the cycle more complete..it'd be test t3 gh and slin

Not a noob cycle obviously...but what i'd be running right now if i were on.

[Tyson2481]

so say i wanna run it with my test/e the only reason id want to take it would be to loose some fat so then i would need to take a higher dose like say 20mcg a day ??