First Cycle- Which One Would You Choose???

**Millineum Man** · 02-17-2005, 02:26 PM

Guys, I've been planning my First Cycle for the past 2 years researching on various boards and would like to get some opinions. Stats: 30 years old, 6'3" 225lbs and 8-9% bodyfat. I've been training off and on since 18 years old, the last 2 1/2-3 years consistently. My goal is size & strength while keeping water bloat to a minimum. This is what I came up with.

1.) Test Cypionate @600mgs for 12 weeks
Arimidex @.25-.5mgs ED throughout(To keep me dry)

2.) Test Cypionate@600mgs for 12 weeks
Dbol @30mgs ED for weeks 1-6
[email protected] ED throughout

3.) Test Cypionate@600mgs for 12 weeks
Nandrolone Phenylpropionate@400mgs for 10 weeks
[email protected] ED throughout

I'm leaning towards #3 for joint lubrication & added anabolic effect, but would love to hear your opinions as well. Thanks in advance!!

***G-1000*** · 02-17-2005, 02:29 PM

for your first cycle i would run #2 but i would bring the test down to 500mg

**gymbuff101** · 02-17-2005, 02:32 PM

i like 2 better as well 500 is plenty of test for first

**Millineum Man** · 02-17-2005, 02:33 PM

Gsxxr, the Cyp I have access to is 300 mg/ml. That's why I have 600mgs/wk posted. It's supposed to be some pretty good stuff too.

**gymbuff101** · 02-17-2005, 02:33 PM

**** mybe only 4 weeks on the dbol though 6 is alot hard on the liver

***G-1000*** · 02-17-2005, 02:36 PM

so if you dont mind the x 100mg the do it. i would shoot 2 times a week 1ml

also guybuff101 is right 6 weeks is long on the d-bol drop it to 4 weeks at 50mg

**fabry** · 02-17-2005, 02:40 PM

inject 300mg e4d or if that cyp comes in a 10ml vials and 300mg/ml, inject .8ml 2 x wk.
dbol ... 6 wks is too much, 4, max 5 if i were u...

**Millineum Man** · 02-17-2005, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by fabry

inject 300mg e4d or if that cyp comes in a 10ml vials and 300mg/ml, inject .8ml 2 x wk.
dbol... 6 wks is too much, 4, max 5 if i were u...

Fabry, I plan on injecting 300mg on Monday & Thursday. Is that every 4th day?

**fitnessNY** · 02-17-2005, 02:46 PM

#1 and 500 is all as you will need for a 1st cycle.

**fabry** · 02-17-2005, 02:48 PM

no, mon-thu is e3.5d and to make things perfect, you have to inject mon morning and thu evening to keep the levels constants...
e3d is mon-thu-sun-wed-sat-etc etc
e4d is mon-fri-tue-sat-wed-sun-etc etc

**1-Cent** · 02-17-2005, 02:51 PM

#2, that was mine

**XxElitexX** · 02-17-2005, 02:53 PM

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***BajanBastard*** · 02-17-2005, 02:53 PM

Go with number three. The overall results will be MUCH better. Keep the test at 600mg week.

**fabry** · 02-17-2005, 02:56 PM

well, some say n.1, some n.2, some n.3... eheh. imagine if you had n.4 and n.5
the only thing i can tell you, is that you dont know how you will react to aas.
so take it easy and keep it simple...
test cyp for 10-12 wks kickstarting with dbols or prop, nolva and ldex or proviron will be a great first cycle...

**scotttiger54** · 02-17-2005, 03:01 PM

i would run #2. 600mg is fine but i would end the dbol at wk 4.

***BajanBastard*** · 02-17-2005, 03:03 PM

At your BF% and weight, I think number three is ideal. Just replace the a-dex with letrozole .

**GREENMACHINE** · 02-17-2005, 03:07 PM

You will prolly be fine with the test c alone and the arimidex of course. Dbol will give you some extra weigh but a lot of this is water weight for most people. As for nandralone phenylpropinate I not sure of it's attributes. I would suggest reading as much as you can on it and deciding if it is offering you the kind of gains you are after at this point.

**Millineum Man** · 02-17-2005, 03:10 PM

Thanks for the input, guys! The only thing that kind of concerns me is the Dbol back pumps. I'm basing my routine around Squats & Deadlifts on different days. I'll jack my water intake to 2 gallons a day with Milk Thistle. Hopefully, that will help.

**fabry** · 02-17-2005, 03:15 PM

milk thistle and a.l.a or r-ala while on dbols....

**LB55blitz** · 02-17-2005, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

At your BF% and weight, I think number three is ideal. Just replace the a-dex with letrozole.

Agreed, no reason you shouldn't be able to handle #3. That should give you great results.

***JohnnyB*** · 02-17-2005, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by XxElitexX

***BajanBastard*** · 02-17-2005, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Why hit those virgin receptors with 2 compounds

Ok I do not understand where you're coming from with this statement. When it comes to the androgen receptor it does not matter if it's his 1st cycle or his 10th. The A.R does not desensitize in any way so it IMO it's pointless to talk about "virgin receptors".

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Food is the key to muscle gains and fat loss, it's not depended on the gear

Again I have to disagree. All studies which involve androgens show that more is better. The 3rd cycle he has planned out will yield more muscle gain and fat loss than a standard 1st cycle.

**DCL** · 02-17-2005, 04:01 PM

is the L dex nessesary? and you need at least 10 mg nolva ed, and up it to 20 mg ed pct.

**arxg** · 02-17-2005, 04:57 PM

cycle no 3 for me , test and deca great bread and butter mass builders , test and d-bol too much for a 1st cycle imo

**stayinstacked** · 02-17-2005, 05:01 PM

For a first timer, test only cycles are really the best. I tend to look at it like this, biggest gains on as little as possible is what a first cycle is all about. You'd probably throw on 20 lbs with just the test if it's your first run with it and you do it right.

**Millineum Man** · 02-18-2005, 10:24 AM

So, the majority says go with #2(Test/Dbol ), right?

***BajanBastard*** · 02-18-2005, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Millineum Man

So, the majority says go with #2(Test/Dbol), right?

3 will produce more muscle gain/fat loss.

**Millineum Man** · 02-18-2005, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

3 will produce more muscle gain/fat loss.

My main concern is the "possible" Deca -Dick symptoms using a Nandrolone . Maybe, I'm just a little paranoid. Since NPP is in and out of the system faster, I shouldn't have a problem, right?? I also have access to a T400 version(200mg Enanthate , 100mgs Cyp, 100mgs Decanote) and regular Deca(300mgs/ml) Should I switch products and lower the dose to Test@400mgs/wk and Deca@300mgs/wk?

**iron4life79** · 02-18-2005, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

yup, you don't have to do the whole ml, do the math and do 500mg a week. Leave that orals and second compound out. Why hit those virgin receptors with 2 compounds, save the second compound for your second cycle and the orals for the third.

Food is the key to muscle gains and fat loss, it's not depended on the gear, the gear is an aid not the end to the means.

JohnnyB

i agree......a 1st time user needs to see how he will react to one compound(test) 1st. theres plenty of time down the road to add in other drugs, and see how things go.

i also agree that food is as anabolic as it gets. you should try to up your clean calorie intake, as much as possible, and try to gain as much as possible this way 1st. if youve already gone this route, then i think youre ready to cycle, and i'd go with as little as possible to see gains. you'll be mightily surprised at what a little test is going to do to those virgin receptors of yours.

peace I4L

***BajanBastard*** · 02-18-2005, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Millineum Man

My main concern is the "possible" Deca-Dick symptoms using a Nandrolone. Maybe, I'm just a little paranoid. Since NPP is in and out of the system faster, I shouldn't have a problem, right?? I also have access to a T400 version(200mg Enanthate, 100mgs Cyp, 100mgs Decanote) and regular Deca(300mgs/ml) Should I switch products and lower the dose to Test@400mgs/wk and Deca@300mgs/wk?

Test at 500-600mg wk. NPP at 100mg E3D IMO is a good cycle. It's your body and your call however. I wouldn't worry about "deca dick" with the NPP.

You can do the test only cycle if you're worried about your "virgin receptors" burning out.

**shorty33** · 02-18-2005, 06:17 PM

Number 1 for your first cycle, see how your body reacts first. If you do run the d-bol
run it 4 weeks, 6 weeks is to long. Good luck bro.

**creepS** · 02-18-2005, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by iron4life79

i agree......a 1st time user needs to see how he will react to one compound(test) 1st. theres plenty of time down the road to add in other drugs, and see how things go.

i also agree that food is as anabolic as it gets. you should try to up your clean calorie intake, as much as possible, and try to gain as much as possible this way 1st. if youve already gone this route, then i think youre ready to cycle, and i'd go with as little as possible to see gains. you'll be mightily surprised at what a little test is going to do to those virgin receptors of yours.

peace I4L

would 250mg of test e give decent reuslt?

**CARNIVORE** · 02-18-2005, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by creepS

would 250mg of test e give decent reuslt?

You will see "some" gains but going another 250mg per week may add 15 lbs. more to your gains.

**iron4life79** · 02-18-2005, 07:22 PM

250 is too low bro...........

go at least 400mg/week. if you feel youre ready, then go 500mg/week.

if you need anything else, pm me, ok? i'd rather you be safe than sorry.

peace I4L

**Moosepellet** · 02-18-2005, 08:05 PM

Do this instead for your first cycle

Everything stated in #1 and through in some Deca for 10weeks at 200-300mg wk

Not only will you be able to absorb more protein, it also lubs up the joints alot better. Good luck though bro

**Texas Ranger13** · 02-19-2005, 06:09 PM

If I were in your shoes, I would go with #2. I read Dan Duchaine's last article before his death called "Dick & Jane's First Steroid ". He said all someone needed on his 1st Cycle was Test Enanthate or Cypionate @600mgs/wk. That's it! This was if your goal was size & strength, which is 95% of us. The Dbol would be icing on the cake until the Test gets up to full strength. Despite what people say, Dbol will build muscle NOT just water. You can build PLENTY of size & strength with this combo. You can stay lean also, but that's more diet than anything. The Arimidex will keep you dry, so no concerns there...