William Llewellyn's Anabolic 2004 ref manual.

**Kristopher22** · 02-20-2005, 01:48 AM

Need some clarification. In this outstanding book he profiles all of the steroids but at the beginning of each he has each compound rated for Anabolic and Androgenic . Anyone know what I am talking about?? Anyway, What does he mean with these numbers?? Example Dianabol is Androgenic 40 -60 and anabolic 90 - 210. Trenbolone is 500 and 500 respectively. What do these figures represent??

**superchump** · 02-20-2005, 06:57 AM

i tried to figure them out too. they dont mean anything

**Property of Steroid.com** · 02-20-2005, 09:09 AM

Testosterone is the basis for this number (100:100), thus tren 's rating of 500:500 represents an anabolic effect of 5x that of testosterone and an androgenic effect of 5x that of testosterone.

The number is found by giving a measured quantity of the drug in question to castrated male winstar rodents, and then sacrificing them. Their levator ani (a muscle) and prostate are both weighed. The weight of the levator ani is used to determine anabolic effect, wheras the weight of the prostate is used to determine androgenic effect.

**iron4life79** · 02-20-2005, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by hooker

Testosterone is the basis for this number (100:100), thus tren 's rating of 500:500 represents an anabolic effect of 5x that of testosterone and an androgenic effect of 5x that of testosterone.

The number is found by giving a measured quantity of the drug in question to castrated male winstar rodents, and then sacrificing them. Their levator ani (a muscle) and prostate are both weighed. The weight of the levator ani is used to determine anabolic effect, wheras the weight of the prostate is used to determine androgenic effect.

D**N..............you ARE smarter than i thought you were hook..........nice post bro. but i bet you have to explain it again, in english this time........lmao.

peace I4L

**Kristopher22** · 02-20-2005, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by hooker

Testosterone is the basis for this number (100:100), thus tren 's rating of 500:500 represents an anabolic effect of 5x that of testosterone and an androgenic effect of 5x that of testosterone.

The number is found by giving a measured quantity of the drug in question to castrated male winstar rodents, and then sacrificing them. Their levator ani (a muscle) and prostate are both weighed. The weight of the levator ani is used to determine anabolic effect, wheras the weight of the prostate is used to determine androgenic effect.

Awesome Hooker. The first part makes sense to me................ Thats all that matters.

Let me give this a try......... They measure the muscle and the prostate then adminitster the drug and weigh them both again, giving you the effects on both the muscle and the prostate.

**Jack87** · 02-20-2005, 11:52 AM

By all my research Trenbolone has always been considered 3x
more androgenic and 3x more anabolic compared to testosterone ...
That's the first I ever heard 5x stronger...

Good post BTW hooker, just clarify your medical research, not
doubting you just always heard and read it was 3x stronger across
the board over testosterone... And yes testosterone is the base point
for all other anabolics, hooker's is on the mark about that... Just want
to clarify the ratio for trenbolone compared to test...

Originally Posted by hooker

Testosterone is the basis for this number (100:100), thus tren 's rating of 500:500 represents an anabolic effect of 5x that of testosterone and an androgenic effect of 5x that of testosterone.

The number is found by giving a measured quantity of the drug in question to castrated male winstar rodents, and then sacrificing them. Their levator ani (a muscle) and prostate are both weighed. The weight of the levator ani is used to determine anabolic effect, wheras the weight of the prostate is used to determine androgenic effect.

**Kristopher22** · 02-20-2005, 12:16 PM

Buff: It is written like that in LLewelly's book. Trenbolone Acetate Anabolic 500, Androgenic 500. That was where I came up with that figure.

**Property of Steroid.com** · 02-20-2005, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Kristopher22

Awesome Hooker. The first part makes sense to me................ Thats all that matters.

Let me give this a try......... They measure the muscle and the prostate then adminitster the drug and weigh them both again, giving you the effects on both the muscle and the prostate.

Right.

**Jack87** · 02-20-2005, 01:59 PM

Book or not... Is is 100% right? Every medical study and drug profile
I've ever seen has it 3x more androgenic and anabolic ... Just asking
for some more info is all bro... I could write a book to, doesn't mean
everything in it would be right... Looking for a medical study post to
back up that info is all... It would be new to me, so if I'm worng I'd
like to know it... Just to learn one new thing today...

Originally Posted by Kristopher22

Buff: It is written like that in LLewelly's book. Trenbolone Acetate Anabolic 500, Androgenic 500. That was where I came up with that figure.

**Jack87** · 02-20-2005, 02:10 PM

Credit given to I-T which is where this profile is from...
Parabolan is natually just a brand of Trenbolone with the
Hex ester attached to the hormone... Everything I've ever
seen has Tren listed as 3x more anabolic and androgenic
in strength compared to Testosteron which is 1:1 ratio

Buff

Parabolan® (trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate)

This item was produced by Negma in France, and for some time was the last remaining injectable worldwide that contained the extremely potent steroid trenbolone. It was discontinued in 1997 however, and currently no real Parabolan can be found on the black market. This profile is still included for interest value, plus to help you understand the variety of Parabolan fakes that are still out there.

You may associate trenbolone with the long deceased Finajet, a veterinary steroid that was popular in the United States during the 1980's. Finajet contained trenbolone acetate, which was a very fast acting form of this drug (see: trenbolone acetate). Parabolan contains a much different ester, trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate. This ester extends the activity of the drug for more than two weeks, a more suitable design for human use. Parabolan is packaged only in ampules of l.5ml, one ampule per a box. Each ampule contains 76mg of trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate, equivalent to 50mg of trenbolone base (French drugs commonly make this calculation).

Trenbotone is a very potent androgen with strong anabolic activity. It is well suited for the rapid buildup of strength and muscle mass, usually providing the user exceptional results in a relatively short time period. The anabolic effect of this drug is often compared to popular bulking agents such as testosterone or Dianabol , with one very important difference. Trenbolone does not convert to estrogen. This is indeed a very unique compound since mass drugs, almost as a rule, will aromatize (or cause other estrogen related troubles) heavily. When we think of taking milder (regarding estrogen) steroids we usually expect much weaker muscle growth, but not so with Parabolan. Here we do not have to worry about estrogen relaten be found on the black market. This profile is still included for interest value, plus to help you understand the variety of Parabolan fakes that are still out there.

You may associate trenbolone with the long deceased Finajet, a veterinary steroid that was popular in the United States during the 1980's. Finajet contained trenbolone acetate, which was a very fast acting form of this drug (see: trenbolone acetate). Parabolan contains a much different ester, trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate. This ester extends the activity of the drug for more than two weeks, a more suitable design for human use. Parabolan is packaged only in ampules of l.5ml, one ampule per a box. Each ampule contains 76mg of trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate, equivalent to 50mg of trenbolone base (French drugs commonly make this calculation).

Trenbotone is a very potent androgen with strong anabolic activity. It is well suited for the rapid buildup of strength and muscle mass, usually providing the user exceptional results in a relatively short time period. The anabolic effect of this drug is often compared to popular bulking agents such as testosterone or Dianabol, with one very important difference. Trenbolone does not convert to estrogen. This is indeed a very unique compound since mass drugs, almost as a rule, will aromatize (or cause other estrogen related troubles) heavily. When we think of taking milder (regarding estrogen) steroids we usually expect much weaker muscle growth, but not so with Parabolan. Here we do not have to worry about estrogen related side effects, yet still have an extremely potent mass/strength drug. There is no noticeable water retention, so the mass gained during a cycle of Parabolan will be very hard and defined (providing fat levels are low enough). Gynecomastia is also not much of a concern, so there shouldn't be any need to addition an antiestrogen if trenbolone is the only steroid administered.

The high androgen level resulting from this steroid, in the absence is excess estrogen, can also accelerate the burning of body fat. The result should be a much tighter physique, hopefully without the need for extreme dieting. Parabolan can therefore help bring about an incredibly hard, ripped physique and is an ideal product for competitive bodybuilders. This is of course no secret, and when available on the market, Parabolan was the most sought after contest preparation drug. Now this it is no longer produced, acceptable substitutes for this purpose include of course veterinary trenbolone acetate preparations, as well as Halotestin ®, Proviron ® and Masteron (also recently discontinued).

Trenbolone is notably more potent than testosterone, and has an effect that is as much as three times as strong on a milligram for milligram basis. Likewise we can expect to see some level of androgenic side effects with use of this compound. Oily skid side effects, yet still have an extremely potent mass/strength drug. There is no noticeable water retention, so the mass gained during a cycle of Parabolan will be very hard and defined (providing fat levels are low enough). Gynecomastia is also not much of a concern, so there shouldn't be any need to addition an antiestrogen if trenbolone is the only steroid administered.

The high androgen level resulting from this steroid, in the absence is excess estrogen, can also accelerate the burning of body fat. The result should be a much tighter physique, hopefully without the need for extreme dieting. Parabolan can therefore help bring about an incredibly hard, ripped physique and is an ideal product for competitive bodybuilders. This is of course no secret, and when available on the market, Parabolan was the most sought after contest preparation drug. Now this it is no longer produced, acceptable substitutes for this purpose include of course veterinary trenbolone acetate preparations, as well as Halotestin®, Proviron® and Masteron (also recently discontinued).

Trenbolone is notably more potent than testosterone, and has an effect that is as much as three times as strong on a milligram for milligram basis.
likewise we can expect to see some level of androgenic side effects with use of this compound. Oily skin, aggressive behavior, acne and hair loss are therefore not uncommon during a cycle with this steroid. The androgenic nature of this drug of course makes it a very risky item for women to use, the chance for virilization symptoms extremely high with such a potent androgen. And since the hexahydrobenzylcarbonate ester will extend the activity of this drug for weeks, blood levels can be very difficult to control. Since many of the masculinizing side effects associated with steroid use can be permanent, women considering the use of this compound should take extreme caution. It can be weeks before blood levels decline should a problem become evident.

Trenbolone is also much more potent than testosterone at suppressing endogenous androgen production. This makes clear the fact that estrogen is not the only culprit with negative feedback inhibition, as here there is no buildup of this hormone to report here. There is however some activity as a progestin inherent in this compound, as trenbolone is a 19-nortestosterone (nandrolone ) derivative (a trait characteristic of these compounds). However it seems likely that much of its suppressive nature still stems from its powerful androgen action. With the strong impact trenbolone has on endogenous testosterone, of course the use of a stimulating drug such as HCG and/or Clomid®/Nolvadex ® is recommenn, aggressive behavior, acne and hair loss are therefore not uncommon during a cycle with this steroid. The androgenic nature of this drug of course makes it a very risky item for women to use, the chance for virilization symptoms extremely high with such a potent androgen. And since the hexahydrobenzylcarbonate ester will extend the activity of this drug for weeks, blood levels can be very difficult to control. Since many of the masculinizing side effects associated with steroid use can be permanent, women considering the use of this compound should take extreme caution. It can be weeks before blood levels decline should a problem become evident.

Trenbolone is also much more potent than testosterone at suppressing endogenous androgen production. This makes clear the fact that estrogen is not the only culprit with negative feedback inhibition, as here there is no buildup of this hormone to report here. There is however some activity as a progestin inherent in this compound, as trenbolone is a 19-nortestosterone (nandrolone) derivative (a trait characteristic of these compounds). However it seems likely that much of its suppressive nature still stems from its powerful androgen action. With the strong impact trenbolone has on endogenous testosterone, of course the use of a stimulating drug such as HCG and/or Clomid®/Nolvadex® is recommended when concluding steroid therapy (a combination is preferred). Without their use it may take a prolonged period of time for the hormonal balance to resume, as the testes may at first not be able to normally respond to the resumed output of endogenous gonadotropins due to an atrophied state. Those who have used Parabolan regularly would often claim it to be indispensable. A weekly dosage of 3 ampules (228mg) was the most popular range when running a cycle, however many did find it highly effective in lesser amounts. Although a weekly administration schedule would prove sufficient, athletes usually injected a single ampule per application, the total amount spread evenly throughout the week. While Parabolan is quite potent when used alone, it was generally combined with other steroids for an even greater effect. Leading up to a show one could successfully add a non-aromatizing anabolic such as Winstrol ® or Primobolan ®. Such combinations will elicit a greater level density and hardness to the build, often proving dramatic to a stage appearance. We could also look for bulk with this drug, and addition stronger compounds like Dianabol or Testosterone. While the mass gain would be quite formidable with such a stack, some level of water retention would probably also accompany it. Moderateded when concluding steroid therapy (a combination is preferred). Without their use it may take a prolonged period of time for the hormonal balance to resume, as the testes may at first not be able to normally respond to the resumed output of endogenous gonadotropins due to an atrophied state. Those who have used Parabolan regularly would often claim it to be indispensable. A weekly dosage of 3 ampules (228mg) was the most popular range when running a cycle, however many did find it highly effective in lesser amounts. Although a weekly administration schedule would prove sufficient, athletes usually injected a single ampule per application, the total amount spread evenly throughout the week. While Parabolan is quite potent when used alone, it was generally combined with other steroids for an even greater effect. Leading up to a show one could successfully add a non-aromatizing anabolic such as Winstrol® or Primobolan®. Such combinations will elicit a greater level density and hardness to the build, often proving dramatic to a stage appearance. We could also look for bulk with this drug, and addition stronger compounds like Dianabol or Testosterone. While the mass gain would be quite formidable with such a stack, some level of water retention would probably also accompany it. Moderately effective anabolics such Deca -Durabolin ® or Equipoise ® would be somewhat of a halfway point, providing extra strength and mass but without the same level of water bloat we see with more readily aromatized steroids.

The main problem with Parabolan historically was that it had always been extremely difficult to obtain. While it was manufactured the demand for this drug was huge. On top of that it was also often scarcely available because it was made only in limited lots in France. Now even in the former country of production, none can be found. Some counterfeits still circulate today, so it is important to stress the fact that you can no longer find legitimate Parabolan on the black market.

***BajanBastard*** · 02-20-2005, 02:18 PM

I really didn't like that profile.

**Jack87** · 02-20-2005, 02:29 PM

WHY not?

That's doesn't tell me much? How can I even reply?

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

I really didn't like that profile.

**Jack87** · 02-20-2005, 02:30 PM

Opps I just did... lol

***BajanBastard*** · 02-20-2005, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by buff87

WHY not?

That's doesn't tell me much? How can I even reply?

I'll come out and say it.................I think the one i did for A.R is much better.

**Jack87** · 02-20-2005, 02:56 PM

See NOW that's a good reason...

I can't argue with that at all...

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

I'll come out and say it.................I think the one i did for A.R is much better.

**Property of Steroid.com** · 02-20-2005, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

I'll come out and say it.................I think the one i did for A.R is much better.

It is.

That I-T profile has no references, while yours has over 20...the I-T profile uses words like "powerful" and "strong" while your profile gives exact numbers. There's no contest.

(Plus, I edited yours)

Buff:

The correct anabolic :androgenic ratio for can be found in J. Vida's work, "Androgens and Anabolic Agents: Chemistry and Pharmacology" by Academic Press

Click Drug Name to View Profile: Trenbolone

***BajanBastard*** · 02-21-2005, 12:44 AM

Wow. Thanks Hooker! The editing you did has made this profile truly top notch.

Hahaha! So from now on you'll use my profile as a ref for tren Buff?

**Property of Steroid.com** · 02-21-2005, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

Wow. Thanks Hooker! The editing you did has made this profile truly top notch.

Hahaha! So from now on you'll use my profile as a ref for tren Buff?

Thanks...

Thats my plan...to have all of the profiles in our profiles page read like this one...

**Jack87** · 02-21-2005, 09:36 AM

Exactly the kind of anwser I was looking for... Thanks...

Originally Posted by hooker

Buff:

The correct anabolic :androgenic ratio for can be found in J. Vida's work, "Androgens and Anabolic Agents: Chemistry and Pharmacology" by Academic Press