Needle Size

**Beefkake31** · 02-23-2005, 06:29 AM

I'm just finalizing everything I need for my cycle. I am going to order my needles and syringes from the AR-R website. I want to know what size length and thickness I need for my TEST E shots of 1 cc twice a week for my glutes and delts. and if it is a 12 week cycle (24 injections plus drawing out from vial and switching = 48 needles) then I need about 50 needles correct?

**crane** · 02-23-2005, 06:47 AM

you know i am sure you know the answer to that question.
i don't think i have ever seen anybody with over 100 posts in the first month they joined.

**01dragonslayer** · 02-23-2005, 08:08 AM

Glutes..23g 1.5"ers
Delts...23g 1"ers

**01dragonslayer** · 02-23-2005, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by crane

i don't think i have ever seen anybody with over 100 posts in the first month they joined.

What are you saying...

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**crane** · 02-23-2005, 08:21 AM

Something smells fishy!
could be my upper lip after last night, but not sure though.

**Beefkake31** · 02-23-2005, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by crane

you know i am sure you know the answer to that question.
i don't think i have ever seen anybody with over 100 posts in the first month they joined.

Just being sure Crane

, I had already known that answer but I wanted to ask specifically for TEST E and delts and the glute just in case someone had anything different to say. And you can say I'm very involved so my post count is high.

**crane** · 02-23-2005, 10:16 AM

you seem already pretty knowledgeable about most of the stuff.
i am just wondering why you are reiterating most of the information when you already know the answers to the questions. it just seems like you trying to get your posts as high as you can.

not flaming

Swellin · 02-23-2005, 10:18 AM

I just posted this last week.

Syringe and Needle Observations

**Stew** · 02-23-2005, 11:04 AM

I use 22g 1.5 inch for everything.

**Beefkake31** · 02-23-2005, 07:11 PM

So you guys think there is a big difference between 22g and 23g?

**dive_kid** · 02-23-2005, 07:20 PM

I use 26 guage. dont feel a thing

**Beefkake31** · 02-23-2005, 07:28 PM

Ok so im sensing it doesn't matter what size the needle is as long as its at least 22g and 1-1.5 long. Right?

**dirtdawg** · 02-23-2005, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Stew

I use 22g 1.5 inch for everything.

wtf

25 guage bro, thats huge!!

Swellin · 02-23-2005, 07:54 PM

Since nobody cared to follow the link.....

23g 1.5 for glutes, 25g 1" for everything else. Draw with 21 or 22 and replace it with a fresh pin of a smaller diameter. The smaller the diameter, the less scar tissue you create. Unless you are injecting a suspension that requires a larger diameter pin, it is simply idiotic to use a pin of larger diameter than is necessary. Use whatever you like, but when you have to take a hammer to drive the thing through some scar tissue, you will understand why we say use a smaller pin.

**Beefkake31** · 02-23-2005, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Swellin

Since nobody cared to follow the link.....

23g 1.5 for glutes, 25g 1" for everything else. Draw with 21 or 22 and replace it with a fresh pin of a smaller diameter. The smaller the diameter, the less scar tissue you create. Unless you are injecting a suspension that requires a larger diameter pin, it is simply idiotic to use a pin of larger diameter than is necessary. Use whatever you like, but when you have to take a hammer to drive the thing through some scar tissue, you will understand why we say use a smaller pin.

I followed the link Swellin and read the entire thing. I just see different answers from these guys so it gets you confused. But you're the Vet, so I don't need any more info on this subject, I'm just going to go with what you said.

Swellin · 02-23-2005, 08:08 PM

Bro, I did not mean it like that. You are doing the right thing by getting other opinions. I was a bit abrassive in my response, and I didn't mean it that way (I just now read it and it was not how I meant it).

Many people use the same pin that they use to draw, but there is absolutely no reason to do this...pins are cheap as dirt! Scar tissue sucks ass!!!!! Minimizing the buildup of scar tissue is certainly a good thing. The only benefit to using a larger diameter pin is the speed with whcih you can deposit the fluid in your muscle. A speedy injection is not a good idea anyway. Sometimes you might get a thick fluid that is too viscous to flow easily through a 25g. Heating the fluid before hand will be a huge aid in this process.

NEVER take the word of one guy!

**Beefkake31** · 02-23-2005, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Beefkake31

I followed the link Swellin and read the entire thing. I just see different answers from these guys so it gets you confused. But you're the Vet, so I don't need any more info on this subject, I'm just going to go with what you said.

The funny thing is Swellin, I actually wasn't being sarcastic at all. I really was speaking truthfully. But you're right You shouldn't take the advice of only one person.

**pyschomab** · 02-23-2005, 09:46 PM

take 23g 1.5 inch needles get the terumo brand their the sharpest !!

**pyschomab** · 02-23-2005, 09:47 PM

take 23g 1.5 inch needles get the terumo brand their the sharpest !!

**Beefkake31** · 02-23-2005, 10:54 PM

I was also just looking at Syringe sizes at AR-R , the syringes without needles comine in 5cc , 10cc, and 20cc's. I'm 99% sure I have to get the 5cc one but I thought I would ask and make sure. I don't know what in the hell you can do with the 20 cc syringe.

Swellin · 02-24-2005, 12:15 AM

You don't want the syringe without needle. you want to order them with your drawing needle attached. You also order your injection needles and just swap out after you draw. The 3cc syringes are plenty.

http://www.anabolicreview-research.c...products_id=83
Not the optimum choice for drawing, but it will work.

**NU-ROYDER** · 02-24-2005, 12:19 AM

how bad r 22 guage 1.5" in terms of pain...i don't want to sound like a wuss but i bought 22 guage today and they look pretty intimidating to me...but that was the smalles size they had

**BDTR** · 02-24-2005, 12:20 AM

22 guage hurt, i usually use 25's.

Originally Posted by NU-ROYDER

how bad r 22 guage 1.5" in terms of pain...i don't want to sound like a wuss but i bought 22 guage today and they look pretty intimidating to me...but that was the smalles size they had

**NU-ROYDER** · 02-24-2005, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by bdtr

22 guage hurt, i usually use 25's.

HOLY CRAP!!

comming from you bdtr that is scaring the $hit out of me...can needles be returened if they are still in the wrapper???

**YounG_SluG11** · 02-24-2005, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by bdtr

22 guage hurt, i usually use 25's.

Could you get away with using 25's for glutes?

**NU-ROYDER** · 02-24-2005, 12:24 AM

the pharmasist told me that the needle would bend if the guage size was an smaller than 22 for the glutes...

**BDTR** · 02-24-2005, 12:25 AM

I mean, its not gonna be extremely painful, but after lots of injections, you'll get sick of it. I doubt you can return needles.

Originally Posted by NU-ROYDER

HOLY CRAP!!

comming from you bdtr that is scaring the $hit out of me...can needles be returened if they are still in the wrapper???

**BDTR** · 02-24-2005, 12:25 AM

I've used 25 guage for everything, including glutes. Just be smooth about it.

Originally Posted by NU-ROYDER

the pharmasist told me that the needle would bend if the guage size was an smaller than 22 for the glutes...

**dive_kid** · 02-24-2005, 12:44 AM

all the needles you will use are not a big deal. do you have an earing?
that was put in with a 14 guage, and that did not hurt. I use 25g for all shots
no problem and dont feel a thing

**Stew** · 02-25-2005, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Beefkake31

I was also just looking at Syringe sizes at AR-R, the syringes without needles comine in 5cc , 10cc, and 20cc's. I'm 99% sure I have to get the 5cc one but I thought I would ask and make sure. I don't know what in the hell you can do with the 20 cc syringe.

what you want to get is the 60cc syringe, its way bigger and easier to fit in your hand. You like a chalenge right?