02-28-2005, 10:51 AM #1
is it possible to get good gains off a dbol only cycle with proper pct...or no because u just hold alot of water weight?
02-28-2005, 10:58 AM #2
02-28-2005, 10:59 AM #3
coming from experince with dbol only prolly wont be happy with what u get off it. u can make gains everbody reacts different to it, i know some people who gained 20 and kept 15 of it, i one the other had only kept 5 bls of it, nothing i couldnt do with proper diet
02-28-2005, 11:05 AM #4
does this answer some of your questions..
I am starting this now.. with a full pct after the 10 weeks... to complete the recovery..
Just some data..
This explains the bridge in an easy-to-read manner with overall accurate information. Again, if using D-bol (androgen) it should be limited to 10mg and only be taken in the AM. If using Var (anabolic ) you can use up to 20mg and it does not need to be used in AM. If using Test, then it really doesnt matter because the recovery factor will not be there. Again, I define a "bridge" as a way to recover HPTA while maintaining gains...this is my good deed for the day....
D-bol Bridge Explained by Fonz
I've been reading some of the posts regarding this
bridge and some of them are truly from left-field.
First of, this is a BRIDGE. OK? a B-R-I-D-G-E.
Your LH function and Test levels are supposed
Ok, now having said that.
Here's the pharmo-kinetics behind Methandrostenelone,
brand name Dianabol .
10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cosrtisone
The reason why dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that
its VERY anti-catabolic. It also dopaminergic. Giving you the
benefits of increased CNS strength modulation by
its androgenic mode of action.
Androgens, in case you don't know, increase neuro-muscular
function, thus STRENGTH.
OK. Now, lets delve into the metabolic chemistry behind
dianabol's choice as a bridging agent.
When are testosterone levels highest?
Answer: In the AM, thats when.
Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning.
This is when tesosterone levels are highest.
When are Insulin levels lowest?
Answer: In the AM thats when.
Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel.
(Also fat, but protein is also being converted
to glucose via glucogenesis)
OK, here is where dball's short half-life works for us
(Its 3.2-4.5 hrs btw)
Lets take Subject X.
He's in bridging mode.
He has just woken up.
The body is about to release tesosterone, thus
creating a spike.
His insulin levels are low.
His LH and test levels are very low.
He pops 10mgs of dianabol.
Here is where things get interesting.
The 10mgs of dianabol will cause a testosterone
spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone
released ENDOGENEOUSLY in the AM by the testes.
The body will be partially fooled.
It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone
(above the normal test sipke), thus LH function WILL
REMAIN only partially(Very little actually) suppressed.
In other words, he is "piggy-backing" an extra dose of testosterone on top of the endogeneously reduced one,
thus creating an "inflated" test spike.
Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY
RECOVER over time.
Also, dballs anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss
in the morning from low insulogenic levels.
HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong.
You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of dianabol in the AM
for this bridge to work!!!!
Why? Because of the blood levels of dianabol you would generate.
10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs
5mg of dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise
in testosterone levels after the precceeding one. Thus,
LH function is allowed to up-regulate.
Anything more(Say 20mgs), will cause a SEDCONDARY
testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further,
thus not allowing LH function to recover.
Oh yeah...100mgs? ROTLMFAO!! Fat chance.
The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference
between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.
So, here's the scenario summed up:
Beginning: LOW LH and test.
Adding the 10mgs dball.
LH is allowed to SLOWLY RECOVER over time as
testosterone levels are kept at a level which
will not cause muscle-loss. Also, dball's anti-catabolic effects
will reduce protein degradation.(Via cortisone
This is what i call a double positive. You have managed to
INCREASE anabolism(Test levels) and DECREASE
catabolism(cortisone), during a bridge to boot!!
The bridge should last 8 weeks, NO LESS.
I also have to say, that it WILL NOT restore
complete LH function. It'll get you 80-90%
of the way there but the only way you're going
to get your full LH function back is if you go OFF
Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw.
(In case anybody is wondering.)
The difference is that with anavar you can take it
throughout the day and with dball it HAS TO BE
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02-28-2005, 11:53 AM #5Originally Posted by spywizard
Awesome post man, BUMP!!!
02-28-2005, 09:16 PM #6
yes that explained alot thanks for the great information i didnt plan on doing it but my boy has been wanting to do it and he absoulrtly will not do needles and i personally told him then gear really isnt for him but ill show him this and see if that changes his mind
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