Advise on Dianabol and Sustenon

**topgun1983** · 03-07-2005, 11:43 AM

I have been offered dianabol and sustenon 250 for 5 weeks.
If taking dianabol at 20mg per day and one vial of sustenon 250 per week what side effects should i expect?
If used this moderately would it be safe to do this stack as it is without novaldex and HCG ?

Thank you

Tg

**wolfyEVH** · 03-07-2005, 11:46 AM

you're just doing a waste of a cycle......5 weeks wont do much, especially at those doses.....and yes, you better get some nolva/clomid

**topgun1983** · 03-07-2005, 11:48 AM

what cycle would you reccomend?
10 weeks at the same level?

***G-1000*** · 03-07-2005, 11:50 AM

you will need to run sust at 500mg for 12 weeks end need to shoot eod.

do a search you will find alot of info

**wolfyEVH** · 03-07-2005, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by topgun1983

what cycle would you reccomend?
10 weeks at the same level?

at least 10 and the sust shot at least twice a week (preferably every 3 days)....Dbol i would bump to at least 30mg/day for 4 to 5 weeks.....HOWEVER, we don't know your stats (height, weight, age, training history, cycle history, diet, etc) Please tell us so we can help you better

**fitnessguy** · 03-07-2005, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by topgun1983

what cycle would you reccomend?
10 weeks at the same level?

If you're gonna go with sus, then i would run it for 10-12 weeks @ 125mg EOD and maybe the d-bol for a jumpstart.

**Booz** · 03-07-2005, 11:53 AM

sus is taken eod u should use enanthate 4 your cycle longer actin 500mg wk
10wks

**topgun1983** · 03-07-2005, 11:54 AM

height 6"2
21 years old
weight 80 kgs (12 stone)
never cycled roids before. Been on all legal comparissons - creatine, glutamine, mag-10 tribulus etc.
training history - 10 stone -12 stone in 1 3/4 yrs.
diet - 5-7 meals daily, 2g protein per 1g bodyweight

Have only been offered Sustenon 250 and dianabol

**indica** · 03-07-2005, 11:55 AM

choose a different ester like enanthate if you just going to do 250/week to keep bloodlevels even. And 5 weeks is to short youll just start to see the gains and then its over. Sides are diffrent for everybody...i get gyno real easy so you should keep some nolvadex at hand if you get it too...stay away from the dbol for now and just do some test enanthate or cypionat for 10weeks.....and what about your PCT(post cycle therapy ) Just dont do like i did with my first cycle..listen to the local gymidiot telling you to take 50mg winny every 5day..hahahah you have to crawl before you walk

***G-1000*** · 03-07-2005, 11:55 AM

what is a stone

**indica** · 03-07-2005, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by fitnessguy

If you're gonna go with sus, then i would run it for 10-12 weeks @ 125mg EOD and maybe the d-bol for a jumpstart.

is jumpstart really needed with the propionate ?

**Booz** · 03-07-2005, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by gsxxr

what is a stone

1stone=14lbs

**fitnessguy** · 03-07-2005, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by indica

is jumpstart really needed with the propionate?

no but he's not gonna be getting a lot of it and plus it takes a little while to get blood levels stable. It's up to him. I personally wouldn't mess with d-bol unless i got it dirt cheap...JMO

**fitnessguy** · 03-07-2005, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by gsxxr

what is a stone

lol...he got me with that too. I was like wtf is a stone??

**topgun1983** · 03-07-2005, 12:07 PM

So if i was to take 20mg of dbol per day (not on weekends)
and 250 mg sustenon per week for 10 weeks as a stack i wouldnt make great gains?
or is it worth a shot?
my aim is to put on 20 lbs

**Booz** · 03-07-2005, 12:09 PM

sus should b taken eod !

**topgun1983** · 03-07-2005, 12:12 PM

ok..ok!
500mg of sustenon and 20 mg od dianabol pd.
safe as a stack on their own? cannot get hold of novaldex

**fitnessguy** · 03-07-2005, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by topgun1983

ok..ok!
500mg of sustenon and 20 mg od dianabol pd.
safe as a stack on their own? cannot get hold of novaldex

Why wouldn't you take the d-bol on the weekends? Take it ED. and the sus EOD. Get your novadex(tamoxifen citrate) and clomid(clomiphene citrate) here:
www.ar-r.com

**vettewreck** · 03-07-2005, 12:18 PM

Ok, First off, I gained 16lbs in 6 weeks using 250mg of sus a WEEK with (I think) 25mg ed of Dbol for 4 weeks.

-Everyone says Sus needs to be shot EOD. Preferably, yes, HOWEVER there is only 30mg of prop in the blend so it wont make that much of a difference....especially in a first time user.

-Id do this if I were you for a first time user.
weeks 1-8 250mg of Sus on Monday and 250mg on Thursday.
weeks 1-4 30mg Dbol ED for 4 weeks.
**YOU DO NOT NEED 750mg/1000mg OF SUS FOR YOUR 1ST CYCLE**

-Being that you are a first time user you will have great gains (as long as you eat) with this simple, low dose cycle.
-Steroids affects everybody differently....some will get better results with a low dose and some will not. But its better to start off small and work your way up first.

--*flame suit on

*

**indica** · 03-07-2005, 12:18 PM

topgun plz read your PMs!!

**fitnessguy** · 03-07-2005, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by vettewreck

Ok, First off, I gained 16lbs in 6 weeks using 250mg of sus a WEEK with (I think) 25mg ed of Dbol for 4 weeks.

-Everyone says Sus needs to be shot EOD. Preferably, yes, HOWEVER there is only 30mg of prop in the blend so it wont make that much of a difference....especially in a first time user.

-Id do this if I were you for a first time user.
weeks 1-8 250mg of Sus on Monday and 250mg on Thursday.
weeks 1-4 30mg Dbol ED for 4 weeks.
**YOU DO NOT NEED 750mg/1000mg OF SUS FOR YOUR 1ST CYCLE**

-Being that you are a first time user you will have great gains (as long as you eat) with this simple, low dose cycle.
-Steroids affects everybody differently....some will get better results with a low dose and some will not. But its better to start off small and work your way up first.

--*flame suit on

*

I was not insisting on shooting 750mg or a gram of test. 125mg EOD, add it up...I too did sus. once a week, twice a week sometimes. I didn't know any better. I broke out bad, blood pressure shot up, & i didn't take full advantage of the esters, that's why i'm telling him 125mg EOD. He said he can't get anything else or i would tell him to get enanthate or cyp. If you weren't talking about me then sorry, i just didn't see where anyone else said take 750-1000mg on a first cycle...

**vettewreck** · 03-07-2005, 12:33 PM

FITNESSGUY.....was not talking about you, but just everyone keeps telling him to take Sus eod. In his mind, that COULD be one amp EOD....but you broke it down for him.

**fitnessguy** · 03-07-2005, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by vettewreck

FITNESSGUY.....was not talking about you, but just everyone keeps telling him to take Sus eod. In his mind, that COULD be one amp EOD....but you broke it down for him.

gotcha. I see how that can get confusing.

**AandF6969** · 03-07-2005, 01:06 PM

Side effects can be decreased greatly if sust is shot EOD and blood levels are kept consistent.

Also, if I were you, I'd raise the dbol dose to 35-40mg ED.