Try the forum on alternate tren conversion with needles
You guys should read more first, the conversion kit is essential for getting the most tren into your body, however there is alternates for the process such as in another forum on this site about using the needles and mixing in them. I have done both and the conversion kit costs more and basically eliminates the glues/binders from the tren but thats about it, the needle mixing process is the easiest and fastest and most practical. You cannot eat tren because it is completely broken down with stomach acids and never makes it to the muscles.