Deca-Tren gyno?

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03-08-2005, 08:20 PM
joey11

Deca-Tren gyno?

Is it possible to get gyno symptoms with tren and not deca. I ran tren 100mg ed about 1 year ago and started to get gyno, so i took b6 and it went away. Then about 4 months ago I ran deca at 600mg ew for ten weeks and had no gyno symptoms. Now I'm in week 5 of prop, cyp and tren e, acetate and parabolon combo and my nipple is getting sore again. I'm running the tren combo at 200mg eod. Why would tren cause gyno and not deca?
03-08-2005, 08:59 PM
BodyMechanic

yes it is possible, you could run a few cycles and never get any gyno, and then on another cycle get it from the same compound. How do you know it is not the cyp. giving you gyno?
03-08-2005, 09:16 PM
Pheedno

Too many variables to difinitively assess the direct problem in comparison to the previous cycle. What you do/did know is that you've experienced symptoms before, and with that precautions should be made to prevent the possibility. Do what you can to regress the problem and take proper measures from here on out.
03-08-2005, 09:26 PM
BajanBastard

Trenbolone has a higher binding affinity for the progesterone receptor than deca. Trenbolone binds 60% as well as the actual progesterone hormone, nandrolone (deca) bind at about 20%. Also one of trenbolone's metabolites (17-beta-trenbolone) has a binding rate to the progesterone receptor higher than that of the actual progesterone hormone.

So as you can see trenbolone has a much higher chance of giving you gyno than deca.
03-08-2005, 09:31 PM
Mesomorphyl

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Originally Posted by big k.l.g

Trenbolone has a higher binding affinity for the progesterone receptor than deca. Trenbolone binds 60% as well as the actual progesterone hormone, nandrolone (deca) bind at about 20%. Also one of trenbolone's metabolites (17-beta-trenbolone) has a binding rate to the progesterone receptor higher than that of the actual progesterone hormone.

So as you can see trenbolone has a much higher chance of giving you gyno than deca.

At what levels though? I am about to bump your profile on this again. It will answer alot of questions that have been floating around lately. Answer up gay wad.
03-08-2005, 09:49 PM
Dude-Man

Get yourself some cabergoline.. .25 mg every 4 days and an AI will take care of you.
03-08-2005, 10:01 PM
Pheedno

Quote:

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

Trenbolone has a higher binding affinity for the progesterone receptor than deca. Trenbolone binds 60% as well as the actual progesterone hormone, nandrolone (deca) bind at about 20%. Also one of trenbolone's metabolites (17-beta-trenbolone) has a binding rate to the progesterone receptor higher than that of the actual progesterone hormone.

So as you can see trenbolone has a much higher chance of giving you gyno than deca.

You'll still see an inhibition in PR function due to supression from one isoform to the other, and you'd still need estrogen present to form a mass.
03-08-2005, 10:01 PM
BajanBastard

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Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl

At what levels though? I am about to bump your profile on this again. It will answer alot of questions that have been floating around lately. Answer up gay wad.

By levels you mean dosages?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dude-Man

Get yourself some cabergoline.. .25 mg every 4 days and an AI will take care of you.

And some T3 at abut 25mcg ed for the lowered T3 hormone levels from the tren.
03-08-2005, 10:05 PM
BajanBastard

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Originally Posted by Pheedno

You'll still see an inhibition in PR function due to supression from one isoform to the other, and you'd still need estrogen present to form a mass.

I know estrogen is needed. All i was trying to do is answer his question about why tren gave him gyno and deca did not.