03-10-2005, 01:02 PM #1
Here is my proposed next cycle... opinions/advice?
I am 46 years young, currently around 215 at 5'7" and maybe 14% BF and have trained for 6 years now. This will be my 3rd cycle. Cycle 1 was a fiasco / learning experience... 250-500mg/week sust for 8 weeks and 50mg/day of dbol for weeks 1-4. Sucked but I learned a lot from it. Second cycle was 10 weeks of sust @ 500mg/week stacked with 400mg deca /week with anadrol and dbol jump start and a proper pct. The last 3 weeks I substituted enanth for the sust. Results were okay-ish. (I was already pretty big from training naturally) Also did a month-on/month-off/month-on cycle of M1T, 20mg/day with mediocre but detectable end results but I don't really count that as a proper cycle.
I learned that I do not tolerate anadrol well, that sust tends to give me more sides than enanth, I learned that I recover well for my age and that I don't start to carry serious water until week 5 or so, even when jumping with orals. I learned that I need help to avoid catabolism post-cycle unless I want to keep piling on the calories for a few more weeks and carry the extra fat for a while. I learned that my nuts shrink badly toward the end of a 10 week cycle. I learned that M1T makes me big as a house with temporary gains but my training suffers, and the gains don't keep well. I gain less with deca than most users but the gains seem to last well for me. I tolerate test well and could go with higher doses in the future but right now I will be paying too much for my gear to experiment with mega-doses. Anyway, I have been wanting to try a longer cycle at moderate doses, possibly combining characteristics of a bulking and a cutting cycle together. The proposed cycle below reflects those musings and goals.
I have not yet used hcg or clen . I have read on the "old school" method of 3 injections E5D of 5000iu hcg, and also accounts of using small doses continuously for several weeks, and I think I would prefer the latter. At any rate, I know that for anything beyond 10 weeks I will need hcg. The clen I will reduce or stop if sides become intolerable.
How does this look?
|WK |CYP|DECA|WINNY |HCG |CLO |NOLVA |LDEX |CLEN |
|1 |500 |400 | | | | | |
|2 |500 |400 | | | | | |
|3 |500 |400 | | | | | |
|4 |500 |400 | | | |10mgED| |
|5 |500 |400 | | | |10mgED| |
|6 |500 |400 | | | |10mgED| |
|7 |500 |400 | | | |10mgED| |
|8 |500 |400 | | | |10mgED| |
|9 |500 |400 | |500iu| |10mgED| |
|10 |500|400 | |500iu| |10mgED| |
|11 |500| |50mgED|500iu| |10mgED| |
|12 |500| |50mgED|500iu| |10mgED| |
|13 |500| |50mgED|500iu| |10mgED| |
|14 |500| |50mgED|500iu| |10mgED|.25 ED|
|15 |500| |50mgED|500iu| |10mgED|.25 ED|
|16 |500| |50mgED|500iu| | |.25 ED|
|17 | | | |500iu| | |.25 ED|
|18 | | | |500iu| | |.25 ED|
|19 | | | | |900mg| | |taper up
|20 | | | | |400mg| | |taper down
|21 | | | | |350mg| | |
|22 | | | | |350mg| | |
|23 | | | | | | | |taper up
|24 | | | | | | | |taper down
|25 | | | | | | | |
|26 | | | | | | | |
|27 | | | | | | | |taper up
|28 | | | | | | | |taper down
* Might jumpstart with 400mg/day transdermal test cream or gel weeks 1-4. I will not be using an oral drug for jumpstart. If I use the test cream I might start the nolva a bit earlier, or just watch for itchy nips.
(1) drink the winny. To hell with ED injections!
(2) 1 5000iu kit mixed with 19cc acqueous B12 for 250iu/ml concentration. 2 inj per week of 250iu. each. Also one extra 5000iu kit standing by in case I feel the need for a little extra help for the nertz before clomid therapy.
(3) Standard clomid regimen of 300mg day 1, 100mg/day for 1 week, 50mg/day to end, 28 days total
(4) taper up from 40mcg to a max of 120mcg/day in 20mcg steps as sides allow. Taper down in 40mcg steps. supplement with 5g/day taurine and plenty of bananas or oranges for potassium. Might stack with T-3.
I am hoping to add at least 10 lbs of "kept" muscle and to reduce BF to 10-11% by the end of week 28. Theoretically and mathematically a 10 lb lean mass increase and a BF%age decrease from 14% to 10% would have me right back at 215 at the end, but with markedly better body composition and appearance. Not interested in getting shreddy right now... a couple of visible/feel-able veins here and there will suffice. I am probably looking at a peak bodyweight of 230 or maybe 235 at about week 11 so the cutting phase looks do-able with the clen.
Dietary goals will be high surplus of protein and total calories weeks 3-10, near maintenance weeks 11-16, slight caloric deficit weeks 19-22, hard cutting diet weeks 23-28.
Week 29+, Show off body, take "after" pics for the board,score lotsa young (or rich) chicks for a few weeks and then do it again, substituting eq for deca and fina for winny.
So anybody have any opinions on the possible T-3 dosing? Or on jumpstarting with the test cream? Possibly supplementing with the cream weeks 17-18 as a bridge to the beginning of pct? Should I substitute anastrozole for the liquidex, since I can get that cheap? Is it advisable to add 75mg/ED of fina for weeks 1-4, since I already have two big ol' jugs of homebrew? Are my goals too ambitious? When I finish this cycle, will I finally be a real "juice monkey"?
03-10-2005, 01:04 PM #2
darn. it didn't display the way I thought it would.
03-10-2005, 01:06 PM #3
Yeah bro those are way too hard to read........... Give us the cycle in the format almost the way we all do it.
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