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Has anybody experienced any tendon or ligament problems ? i put about 35lbs on my bench in about a month (my cycle kicked in finally) and my elbows have been killing me. It feels like i have tennis elbow really bad in both arms, but only when i go heavy. Anybody had this ? or know whats a good cure/aid for it ?
yes.. yes i have...
that's why you want to take..
gh
or
var
or
eq
or deca
in that preference..
While injecting test increases protein syntesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.
Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.
Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen syn while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.
Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.
You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.
Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.
While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.
To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.
Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood
Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.
Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.
Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.
These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:
Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days
Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.
GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.
Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.
Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS -- the decision is up to you
im on teste/deca right now, 400mg/week deca
nice post spy
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Originally Posted by bowie
Thanks man.. i didn't write it, but i shared the info.. after a while you will have a full library of information that actually makes sense..
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I definetly second that my friend... some solid info right there... I have been trying to post my thread all day but the forum won't let me so I found my answers right here... What doses would you use of those??? I am thinking that I will use EQ and Var with a small dose of Test E. Would 250mg be too much test? I mean it would be half a CC twice weekly so that is why I would choose that... But how high do I want to run the EQ and VAR? Should I do Primo at the same time??? how would this work...
EQ 800mg/weekly 1-25
Primo 800mg/weekly 1-25
Test E 250mg/weekly 1-25
Var 50-60mg/daily 1-12
Honestly I've never used EQ PRIMO OR VAR... I've used Test Deca and Fina and in my opinion Fina messes up your joints... Feel free to recomend different dosages as those are all variable.. Thanks bro.
(PS: Sorry for crowding your thread but I've been trying to ask this sh1t all day and it won't let me post... hope you don't mind bro.. and hopefully the answers will help both of us)
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Nice Post Man
Any thoughs on this boys??? I don't think I can afford the primo at a second glance so its Test EQ and Var... low test and moderate doses of EQ and var... Someone give me a heads up on this proposed cycle... thanks guysQuote:
Originally Posted by 100%NATURAL-theGH
I've had severe tendonitus in both elbows several times. Your best bet is rest and a good anti-inflamatory. I've had several cortizone shots but they only last for about 2-3 months. You probably don't want to stop your cycle so I would consider the cortizone injection to get you through your cycle. Cortizone is not a cure all. The pain generally goes away but the injury is still there. Cortizone can also weaken the tendons. Good luck...
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Winstrol did it to my shoulders, wow it was pain for a few months.
It dried me up for a few months.
Spy, that was one of the most interesting articles I have ever read. I'm on winny right now, for thw first time ever. I have an old ACL injury, and it's killing me. Not to mention, I pulled my pec last week. Luckily I am finished with the winni in a week.
1st var = 8 weeks.. end the cycle with it..
eq will increase hunger, and is normally run 400-600wk..
primo is usually for women..
test e takes 4 weeks to kick in..
most will run the test higher than the eq..
500mg test e 1-12
400mg eq 1-12
50mg var 4-12 will harder you up good...
i would suggest 75mg of test prop 1-4 and 13-14
that way you can start pct the day after you take your last prop shot..
otherwise.. start clomid 2 weeks after the last test e shot..
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Originally Posted by 100%NATURAL-theGH
I may be newer here, but that post should be a STICKY!
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Rest. Go lighter when you're benching.
I have the same problem with straight bar curls. Glucosamine is good for the joints.
I'm not gonna run that much test... makes me too moody and also will interfere with the collagen synthesizing perks of the EQ. A 12 week cycle to me is just getting warmed up so I would go atleast 20-25. The main thing I was checking on was dosage... I have read the 800mg of EQ is a good amount and that 200mg Test will keep you basically normal while using it... the var is just the added bonus and will be run for a long time... 12-14 weeks... i don't see a downside to it... Thanks for the help and if you see anything detrimental to my health let me know.... (never used EQ)
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Originally Posted by spywizard
o and I am familiar with using prop for starting/ending cycles i just don't like it all that much... doesn't work very well for me for some reason... JMO...