pct for fina/prop

I have basically gotten confused by all the varying opinions on this. I am doing 6 weeks of fina/prop and going straight into a mild deca(400mg) and test enan(500mg) following this cycle. Do I even need to bother with pct if I'm not really coming off but just switching gears? what protocol would be recommended? I need to stay reasonably lean as I'm a trainer and don't wanna blow up during the enan portion which I will be dieting for lean growth. I am doing a show in 07 and am just cutting on the fina/prop for summer, nothing major. So i guess the question really is do you do any nolva/arimidex/hcg/ or clomid if you're staying on? Even if it's just a little deca or eq? I need to hold my gains cause I'm trying to ake a splash in 07. Thanks!! :unsure: :unsure: :unsure:

if you are jumping on deca and test e immediately after then you dont need pct until you are off deca and test e.

However, this doesnt make much sense. I would bulk first with test e and deca and then go straight into a cutting cycle of prop/tren.

Yeah it would but I put on a little chub over the past year as I was busy with family issues and I need to drop about twenty lbs to see where I am and to not be fat over summer. I'm not going crazy on the cutting until contest time. This is just a little trim down and then a little lean growth until winter then I'll get down on it. I just mainly wanna reverse the fina dick as musch as possible. This is my first time with fina and I don't wanna disappoint the wife. Will viagro or ciallis conquer fina dick or is it something different? I'm just acquiring right now anyways and I wanna make sure I'm stocked with the good good that I need and not a buncha crap I won't need for a year or two.

I'd start the deca and test e on day 1 with the prop and fina. That way by week 6 when you drop the prop/fina the other two will just be kicking it. Basically jumpstarting your cycle with prop/fina. If it were me, though, I'd drop the deca and run the fina longer. Tren is the best for anything, cutting or bulking and no water weight.

I am going to run the tren if my bloodwork comes back reasonably ok after a few weeks. I forgot to mention I am also on androgel at 100mg per day. It feels about like 50mg per day but it's a little something to bridge with. I really just like to change up every few months anyways to keep fresh receptors. Like I said, my main concern is avoiding fina dick and estrogen or progesterone problems. I doubt I'll come off completely for the next two years. Maybe a little but not much. I wanna do one season of shows and learn all I can and then add bb training to my training repertoire. I know alot already but not enough to be legit. I have spent too much time training old ladies and high school football players but hey it pays the bills.

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Originally Posted by ALLGONOQUIT!

I am going to run the tren if my bloodwork comes back reasonably ok after a few weeks. I forgot to mention I am also on androgel at 100mg per day. It feels about like 50mg per day but it's a little something to bridge with. I really just like to change up every few months anyways to keep fresh receptors. Like I said, my main concern is avoiding fina dick and estrogen or progesterone problems. I doubt I'll come off completely for the next two years. Maybe a little but not much. I wanna do one season of shows and learn all I can and then add bb training to my training repertoire. I know alot already but not enough to be legit. I have spent too much time training old ladies and high school football players but hey it pays the bills.

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If you want to stay on something for 2 years consider coming off AAS completely and using IGF-1 LR3, Slin, and even PGF2-A along with your pct then jump back on. Or at the very least make HCG your new best friend :D

I know what igf is but lr3, slin, and pgf2-a?? I've never even heard of those. I was figuring on running some hcg every so often and arimidex occasionally.

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I know what igf is but lr3, slin, and pgf2-a?? I've never even heard of those. I was figuring on running some hcg every so often and arimidex occasionally.

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LR3 is part of IGF-1, that's why I didn't put a comma inbetween them. It's the long R3 chain of aminos that keeps the IGF-1 from getting bound up by IGFBP and extends the life to about 12hrs. Slin=insulin, and PGF2-A is a prostalglandin, you'll have to do a search on that one, too much info.

I think I'll stay with what I know for now. Diabetes runs in my family and I'm leery of insulin or insulin like substances. Just the name worries me. I think I can do what I want with the old faithfuls I just have to get a little coaching to maximize it a little. Thanks though. **** you younger guys know a s***load more than I did at that age. WE had cyp, d-bol, v, and anadrol and didn't worry about much else. Thanks for the info. One more question if you don't mind. How often would you run in hcg over a two year stint like that? As needed? What about the arimidex or nolva? Trying to stay lean as I don't have trouble getting big but have more trouble losing fat. I wanna stay as lean as possible while I'm growing. I have good dietary discipline also so that helps. I hate getting all bloated. Thanks for the info Brother Man.

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Originally Posted by ALLGONOQUIT!

I think I'll stay with what I know for now. Diabetes runs in my family and I'm leery of insulin or insulin like substances. Just the name worries me. I think I can do what I want with the old faithfuls I just have to get a little coaching to maximize it a little. Thanks though. **** you younger guys know a s***load more than I did at that age. WE had cyp, d-bol, v, and anadrol and didn't worry about much else. Thanks for the info. One more question if you don't mind. How often would you run in hcg over a two year stint like that? As needed? What about the arimidex or nolva? Trying to stay lean as I don't have trouble getting big but have more trouble losing fat. I wanna stay as lean as possible while I'm growing. I have good dietary discipline also so that helps. I hate getting all bloated. Thanks for the info Brother Man.

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I'd run it starting at week 15 doing 500ius 2x per week and every 10 weeks or so lay off for 2-4 weeks, then get back on.