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Thread: Test E or Sus with deca???
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03-18-2005, 09:55 PM #1
Test E or Sus with deca???
Hey bros,
I am new to this site, but been using AS for 2 cycles now, my question is everyone puts down Sus. I did from 900mg to 1200mg on my last cycle and got good results, about 30 lbs...kept most of it, I am 6' 5" and 245lbs now
I was thinking of doing a big mass cycle with Sus & Deca , Anadrol or Test E and Deca, and Anadrol....what you guys think?
J
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03-18-2005, 11:01 PM #2
You seem to be in the same boat as me, except this will be my first cycle. I am leaning towards 500 mg/wk sust and 300-400mg/wk deca . People have been advising me to go with ethanate, but I didn't like the sound of the increased side effects and price. I'm almost the same size as you. I'm 6'8" 275, but I'm sure you are more muscular cause I've been hit with the injury bug pretty hard these past 2 years.
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03-19-2005, 05:19 AM #3Originally Posted by A_Giant_Bear
Ethanate is actually cheaper beacuse it isonly a single ester as opposed to sustanon which is a blend of 4 esters, Id say the sides are lower with ethanate because the blood levels are easyer to keep stable
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03-19-2005, 08:47 AM #4
bump
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there is nothing wrong with sust. it just works much better if you shoot eod.
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03-19-2005, 03:41 PM #6Originally Posted by GetnSwole
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03-19-2005, 03:54 PM #7Associate Member
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I have used both and IMO if you shoot Sustanon eod, Test E doesn't even come close to Sustanon.. JMHO
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03-19-2005, 04:03 PM #8
Used both sus and test e, i carry alot more water from with the test e but love the results, with sus which i shoot eod i dont tend to carry as much water and i must admit it works better for me than test e but everyone is different, sus doesnt seem to give me as much side affects, i think you would have to try them both and find out what works best for you and your body, me id pick sus!!
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03-19-2005, 04:05 PM #9Originally Posted by TheGreatOne
I'd go with test-e all the way... Test-e or prop...
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03-19-2005, 04:12 PM #10Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Tags
sust 250 does not have to be shot eod
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03-19-2005, 04:26 PM #11
Then if you do things that way, prepare for more sides due to unconstant blood content levels...
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03-19-2005, 04:26 PM #12Originally Posted by Tags
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03-19-2005, 04:31 PM #13Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Tags
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03-19-2005, 04:39 PM #14
You want to prove your point??? Back it up with info... Not saying you couldn't be right it's just that every1 else says eod most times, even the very knowledgeable bro's... If you want to run it the way you say to run it then they shouldn't add the prop ester...
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03-19-2005, 04:41 PM #15Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Tags
http://forums.steroid.com/showthrea...hlight=shot+eod
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03-19-2005, 04:46 PM #16
Originally Posted by HeavyHitter
"Man... i was hoping you had a better argument then that!!! Ive shot 500mg a week mon thurs of sus and ended up with great results and a leaky knipple of gyno formation!! It will still work bro, but the sides are twice as bad from the non stable levels!!"
Bro, that just prove's you can run it that way but get worse sides... I don't see your point... that was the last post were 1 guy quoted another guy's, the last post didn't even have to do with what you said, the guy just said he wasn't arguing with not having to do eod...
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03-19-2005, 04:49 PM #17Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Tags
Here is my point and I think I'll leave it at this, the exponential decay of the four esters by the forth day will not have decreased to a significant level.
here is the break down
formula for decay:
mg*2^(-day/half life)
Propionate 2 days
Phenylpropionate 4.5 days
Isocaproate 9 days
Decanoate 15 days
putting it all together:
30*2^(-4/2)
ans = 7.5000 prop
60*2^(-4/4.5)
ans = 32.4018 phenprop
60*2^(-4/9)
ans = 44.0920 isocap
100*2^(-4/15)
ans = 83.1238 deconate
total concentration on the forth day = 7.5000 + 32.4018 + 44.0920 + 83.1238
ans =
167.1176
difference from first to fourth is
250-167.1176
ans =
82.8824
so there was an 83mg drop. Let's look at every third day:
30*2^(-3/2)
ans = 10.6066
>> 60*2^(-3/4.5)
ans = 37.7976
>>60*2^(-3/9)
ans = 47.6220
>> 100*2^(-3/15)
ans = 87.0551
>> 87.0551 + 47.6220+ 37.7976+10.6066
ans = 183.0813
difference between 3rd and 4th
15.9637mg
on the second day:
30*2^(-2/2)
ans = 15
>> 60*2^(-2/4.5)
ans = 44.0920
>> 60*2^(-2/9)
ans = 51.4346
>> 100*2^(-2/15)
ans = 91.1722
>> 15+ 44.0920+51.4346+91.1722
ans = 201.6988
difference between the forth and second day:
201.6988 - 167.1176 = 34.5812
again I don't think anyone will notice a 35mg drop.
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