Not this cycle... The next one

**Mesomorphyl** · 03-24-2005, 08:21 AM

Upcoming cycle is already layed out. 1gram test, 500mg tren , dbol , var, primo. Just to give you an idea of what I am running.

This is for the next one. I always here about running test higher, I also see every once in a while someone says they cannot do test... I am not sure I believe all that but I am willing to use myself to test the low test and higher anabolics. Here will be the cycle.
Weeks:
1-16 300mg test cyp
1-14 600mg eq
1-14 600mg deca
hcg will be used twice, 2000iu e4d for 5 shots(10000iu total) both in the middle of cycle and at the end. I will use proviron as the AI and I will have nolva on hand. Maybe some cabergoline on hand as well, will pct with clomid.

Looking for as many comments as possible.

**Pale Horse** · 03-24-2005, 08:24 AM

will you be using the penis pump in intimate encounters to help aid the "erection" process?

**Mesomorphyl** · 03-24-2005, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by 1victor

will you be using the penis pump in intimate encounters to help aid the "erection" process?

In all honesty I am hoping the proviron helps, now that you mention it I will get some ar cialis to have on hand.

**Pale Horse** · 03-24-2005, 08:33 AM

Glad to be of assistance!

**JdFlex** · 03-24-2005, 08:44 AM

I think that's an interesting experiment. I have some experience with running deca higher than test, and I didn't have any penis problems. In fact it was quite the opposite of a problem. Until PCT that is. Crashed hard. But that's what deca only does for ya. Lesson learned.

**Mesomorphyl** · 03-24-2005, 08:47 AM

It is not just higher but double and with both of these anabolics(higher anabolic to androgenic ratios). Just seeing how a low androgenic cycle would work. Maybe I should up the deca or eq doses? I will keep test at 300mg for experimental purposes.

**Mesomorphyl** · 03-24-2005, 09:31 AM

Bump for experiences. Gosh where are all the deca only people or the guys that say they don't have to use test or do not feel it necessary?

**Diesel** · 03-24-2005, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl

Upcoming cycle is already layed out. 1gram test, 500mg tren , dbol , var, primo. Just to give you an idea of what I am running.

This is for the next one. I always here about running test higher, I also see every once in a while someone says they cannot do test... I am not sure I believe all that but I am willing to use myself to test the low test and higher anabolics. Here will be the cycle.
Weeks:
1-16 300mg test cyp
1-14 600mg eq
1-14 600mg deca
hcg will be used twice, 2000iu e4d for 5 shots(10000iu total) both in the middle of cycle and at the end. I will use proviron as the AI and I will have nolva on hand. Maybe some cabergoline on hand as well, will pct with clomid.

Looking for as many comments as possible.

I'm really curious about your thought process on running both EQ and Deca together at those doses. (I run them together but the Deca is only for joint pain at about 200mg/wk.)

On the test, I understand the experiment end. However, aside from potential erection issues, I don't think you are going to be extremely happy having just run 1g of test.

**stocky121** · 03-24-2005, 10:17 AM

i never ran test for my first cycle bro i used deca and d/boll. I got shut down pritty hard lost my sex drive. Hope you running some test will help with this problem gangsta

**TheMudMan** · 03-24-2005, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl

Upcoming cycle is already layed out. 1gram test, 500mg tren , dbol , var, primo. Just to give you an idea of what I am running.

This is for the next one. I always here about running test higher, I also see every once in a while someone says they cannot do test... I am not sure I believe all that but I am willing to use myself to test the low test and higher anabolics. Here will be the cycle.
Weeks:
1-16 300mg test cyp
1-14 600mg eq
1-14 600mg deca
hcg will be used twice, 2000iu e4d for 5 shots(10000iu total) both in the middle of cycle and at the end. I will use proviron as the AI and I will have nolva on hand. Maybe some cabergoline on hand as well, will pct with clomid.

Looking for as many comments as possible.

IMO I don't like the cycle........... When runing compounds like tren and deca you def want to make sure that the test is ran higher then the other not only because of sex drive issue but you also increase your chances of developing incresed prolactin levels.

I also think the deca is being ran very long and high............ recovery could be very long and hard because of that.

If anything I would run this..... but I do agree with Diesel on the EQ and Deca bit because the deca with the bloat will hide alot of the the results you can see from EQ..........

1-16 600mg test cyp
1-14 600mg eq
1-10 400mg deca
1-19 Proviron 50mg ED
1-19 Nolva 10mg ED
1-19 B6 200mg ED

Start PCT 18days after last Cyp injection

**niXon)(** · 03-24-2005, 11:14 AM

After reading the posts, I think ths cycle would be better than the one you laid out. It actualy looks like a good cycle. If anything, raise the test up to 800, but theres already 1600g+ compounds

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

1-16 600mg test cyp
1-14 600mg eq
1-10 400mg deca
1-19 Proviron 50mg ED
1-19 Nolva 10mg ED
1-19 B6 200mg ED

Start PCT 18days after last Cyp injection

**Mesomorphyl** · 03-24-2005, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by niXon)(

After reading the posts, I think ths cycle would be better than the one you laid out. It actualy looks like a good cycle. If anything, raise the test up to 800, but theres already 1600g+ compounds

The point was to experiment with low test with higher anabolic components and low androgens.

**niXon)(** · 03-24-2005, 11:19 AM

You dont care about being shut down hard/not seeing eq's effects because of the deca ?

**Mesomorphyl** · 03-24-2005, 11:29 AM

Being shut down will not bother me... You become shut down on tren or test for that matter. Why would I not see the effects of eq because of deca ? If you are talking water then after cycle would I still not see the effects? Please explain, because wouldn't that mean you could not see the effects of winny because of the test?

**BlInDsIdE** · 03-24-2005, 11:32 AM

Bro that might b overkill with the HCG at 2000iu i'd suggest 500 e4d at the middle through the end....jmho

**TheMudMan** · 03-24-2005, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl

The point was to experiment with low test with higher anabolic components and low androgens.

I wouldn't waste my money, mental stability, or sex drive for a experiment........ that's JMO but if you are set on that cycle then go for it......

**Mesomorphyl** · 03-24-2005, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by BlInDsIdE

Bro that might b overkill with the HCG at 2000iu i'd suggest 500 e4d at the middle through the end....jmho

Did you get that from the Hormone Replacement Therapy thread? Swale protocol? I've read that too. I will not run hcg more than four weeks at a time with at least 6 weeks inbetween as to not encounter desensitization issues. That works for some, but I know the science and medical info is based on someone on test forever.

**BlInDsIdE** · 03-24-2005, 11:37 AM

k man u know what ur doin, go 4 it and lemme know how it turnsout, good luck bro

**yikes!!** · 03-24-2005, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by BlInDsIdE

Bro that might b overkill with the HCG at 2000iu i'd suggest 500 e4d at the middle through the end....jmho

true that......

**Mesomorphyl** · 03-24-2005, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

I wouldn't waste my money, mental stability, or sex drive for a experiment........ that's JMO but if you are set on that cycle then go for it......

There are some that think low to no test is a good way to go. Two of my cycles did not have test but that was before I used it. On the flip side my doses were rather weak, also I did gain lean muscle on those cycles though not much.

**Mesomorphyl** · 03-24-2005, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by BlInDsIdE

k man u know what ur doin, go 4 it and lemme know how it turnsout, good luck bro

Thanks, by the way I have ran hcg several ways and for me, so IMO, this is the way to go.

**Diesel** · 03-24-2005, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl

Did you get that from the Hormone Replacement Therapy thread? Swale protocol? I've read that too. I will not run hcg more than four weeks at a time with at least 6 weeks inbetween as to not encounter desensitization issues. That works for some, but I know the science and medical info is based on someone on test forever.

I agree to an extent. From personal experience, running hcg at 500iu's p/day for ten straight days in the middle of a long cycle works just as good for me.

**Mesomorphyl** · 03-24-2005, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Diesel

I agree to an extent. From personal experience, running hcg at 500iu's p/day for ten straight days in the middle of a long cycle works just as good for me.

I have ran it that way also, and 1000iu for ten days just at the end 5 days before clomid ingestion.

**TheMudMan** · 03-24-2005, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl

There are some that think low to no test is a good way to go. Two of my cycles did not have test but that was before I used it. On the flip side my doses were rather weak, also I did gain lean muscle on those cycles though not much.

I'm not one of those that think that way...... but I also don't condone insane dosages either.......

What are the goals of the cycle for you besides the experiment part of it?

**Mesomorphyl** · 03-24-2005, 11:44 AM

I appreciate all comments, as this is for more than my benifit, I would like others to gain knowledge with this thread and/or my experiment.

**Mesomorphyl** · 03-24-2005, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

What are the goals of the cycle for you besides the experiment part of it?

I would have to say I would try for lean mass or go for bulking. Last couple of time I have used test/eq/deca I bulked, so...
To be fair, and only to say how it reacted with me, I would have to try and keep things similar(which I would have to change my workout again).

**Diesel** · 03-24-2005, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl

I would have to say I would try for lean mass or go for bulking. Last couple of time I have used test/eq/deca I bulked, so...
To be fair, and only to say how it reacted with me, I would have to try and keep things similar(which I would have to change my workout again).

I'm not sure I'm following you bro.

Could you clarify a bit?

**TheMudMan** · 03-24-2005, 11:49 AM

Well you can def put on a lot of mass with the compounds listed but I would dump the experimant part of it and up the test at least so that you do get the most out of the cycle........

**joevette** · 03-24-2005, 11:55 AM

This should be an interesting experiment. I've considered doing something similar but with less harsh substances for a cutter, like 300mg test prop, 525mg Masteron , 700mg Winstrol .