is dbol/winny beneficial to add to 1st cycle, wad r the pro's cons

**russia dog** · 03-30-2005, 04:55 PM

halo, me first cycle very good
plase coment

week 1-12 SUSTANON 500MG/week
week 1-12 DECA DUraburin 400MG/week
week 1-5 ANABOL(THAI) 30MG/ED
week 10-14 WINSTROL TABS 50MG/ED
WEEK 1-19 NOLVADEX 10mg/ed
WEEK 1-14 PROVIRONUM 25mg/ed

PCT - CLOMID week 16-19 just like steroid .com (very good)
PCT - CLENBUTERoL 16-19 >_< 2weeks on 2weeks off

VERY GOOOD? is it too much for 1st cycle im a novice boy
STATS - 167LBS 5, 11''FT

WORKOUT ^^ 6 days on 1 day off
MON- DELT/TRICEP
TUE - BICEP/FOREARM
WED - LEGS ALL
THURSDAY - CHEST
FRIDY - LAT/TRAP
SATURDAY - ABS
SUNDY - REST SLEEP EAT GOOD

NUTRITION
around 3500 CAL
200-250 PROTEIN
350-400 CARB
around 100 FAT

wad im asking is,
can i add dbol , winny, if not WHY, wad r the pro's and con's

and how can "too much gear" harm me?
i want to put on some crazy mass, lean, hardness
thank you so much
i want to maximize my gains

i ahve posted earlier http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...79#post1698979

everyone is tleling me to drop winny/dbol, i wish to know the reason why rather than "too much gear" i need a scientific explantion

**Consistency** · 03-30-2005, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by russia dog

everyone is tleling me to drop winny/dbol, i wish to know the reason why rather than "too much gear" i need a scientific explantion

the reason is if you get any sort of side you wont know what its from.

And from now on for every cycle you will have to add more and up the doses to get the same results. Your 3rd cycle is gonna have to be huge! I suggest 2 compounds at most for a first cycle

**stayinstacked** · 03-30-2005, 05:03 PM

Scientific explanation: the human body is only able to get so big, even on all the juice in the world, the human body is able to get a hell of alot bigger naturally than you will be after your 12 week cycle, even if you ran everything you have. So why not use steroids as an aid and not a quick fix? Not trying to flame bro, but I believe even with poor genetics, at 5'11" and 167lbs you could do much more on your own, and for 167lbs and a first cycle, 500mg sus and 400 deca is even a high dose. Obviously since you have posted twice about the same thing, basically just worded it different ,your gonna do it anyways, so neglect our advice and go shoot already.

**russia dog** · 03-31-2005, 03:17 AM

ill drop dbol and winny

**russia dog** · 03-31-2005, 03:18 AM

i read that ASS doesn;t down grade its receptor,
so i just wonder why dbol and winny should be dropped
im not trying to "quick fix"
i just wanna gain as much as possible.. off all the money i wasted
i want a perfect combo to maximize these gains

**russia dog** · 03-31-2005, 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by stayinstacked

Scientific explanation: Obviously since you have posted twice about the same thing, basically just worded it different ,your gonna do it anyways, so neglect our advice and go shoot already.

my last thread was "MY FIRST CYCLE" however, an issue of winny and dbol had arise.. and thus i wanted it to be discussed here

**russia dog** · 03-31-2005, 08:35 AM

bumping it up

**Justincase** · 03-31-2005, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Consistency

the reason is if you get any sort of side you wont know what its from.

And from now on for every cycle you will have to add more and up the doses to get the same results. Your 3rd cycle is gonna have to be huge! I suggest 2 compounds at most for a first cycle

He is so right! you can only gain so much no matter how much AS you use,
with sust @ 500mg and deca @ 300mg a good workout program and a good
diet you should not have any issues growing to your first cycle max
and adding extra compounds this early on is just like dumping it down the
drain......

**russia dog** · 03-31-2005, 12:39 PM

winny improves hardness? is dat like du,ping it down the drain

**Justincase** · 03-31-2005, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by russia dog

winny improves hardness? is dat like du,ping it down the drain

so will the sust you are taking......deca will add a bit of bloat but not bad.
winny will dry your joints out and if you are prone to hair loss that may
be an issue as well...
I like winny and you feel really strong on it but the draw back is your joints
can really get hurt as they dry out.

what I was trying to say was doing that many different types of AS in your
first cycle will not do anything more then just doing the sust and deca except
set you up for having to do even more for the next cycle.....