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    What happens when you stop juicing ?

    What happens if you do 1 cycle and after that cycle you do a good pct and train 5 times a week with good diet?
    Do you lose all your gains after your cycle ? or do you keep some of the gains ?

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    If youre talking about a test only cycle with proper pct, you should be able to keep a good amount of your gains. But pct is very important, along with high protein/calorie intake and consistent training.

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    Ill bump this, I am 20 years old, been working out on and off since ive been about 17, but the last year with a new job havnt worked out much, but the last 2months things have died down so im back in the gym 6- times a week. Most ive ever taken in my life is creatine an t-Bomb. in a few months after i get most of my strength back n get on a good diet i was thining of doing a cycle, but dont wanna become an avid juice user. If i only plan on doing one cycle, is it a complete waste and dont even bother, also(maybe a dumb quetion) but will i become very "lose" and "saggy" after i stop my first cycle

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    The key is maintaining the diet and workouts after you stop. Many get a psycological edge while on and then intensity when off goes down hill in diet, workouts, rest, etc.

    I am guilty of this to a certain degree. It really depends on how dedicated you are and how many things are going on in your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machdiesel
    Ill bump this, I am 20 years old, been working out on and off since ive been about 17, but the last year with a new job havnt worked out much, but the last 2months things have died down so im back in the gym 6- times a week. Most ive ever taken in my life is creatine an t-Bomb. in a few months after i get most of my strength back n get on a good diet i was thining of doing a cycle, but dont wanna become an avid juice user. If i only plan on doing one cycle, is it a complete waste and dont even bother, also(maybe a dumb quetion) but will i become very "lose" and "saggy" after i stop my first cycle
    I think you will be fine, as long as you do it right. Do your research on this board, learn how to come off properly(pct), and make sure you're ready. You should keep a good amount of the gains and you will look great when you're off. Problem is, most people don't want to just do it once. You will probably like it so much that you will want to experiment some more.

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    A lot of what people interpret as a loss in gain is the reduction of liquid volume (water and blood) in the system when the cycle is over. Also you need to keep training hard and heavy or your muscles will atrophy. The BUT in that is you need to reduce the time of your training not the intensity. You recover much better while on cycle so you can train with high intensity for a longer period of time. When you go off cycle stick to about an hour work out each training day. avoid cardio and keep your diet strict and high in protein. Done properly you will see a decrease in weight but not a very noticeable decrease in overall size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machdiesel
    Ill bump this, I am 20 years old, been working out on and off since ive been about 17, but the last year with a new job havnt worked out much, but the last 2months things have died down so im back in the gym 6- times a week. Most ive ever taken in my life is creatine an t-Bomb. in a few months after i get most of my strength back n get on a good diet i was thining of doing a cycle, but dont wanna become an avid juice user. If i only plan on doing one cycle, is it a complete waste and dont even bother, also(maybe a dumb quetion) but will i become very "lose" and "saggy" after i stop my first cycle
    If you do everything right no it isn't a waste but you must have a pretty strong will if you end up doing only 1 cycle...i said that myself too and im going into my third, im sure many guys can testify they thought theyd only do 1 and are far beyond that

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    you should keep your gains, and continue making them

    if you dont continue without AAS, your diet and training work

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    So when you are on steroids , the muscles dont need to rest as long as when you are off ?

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    thanx alot guys, my greatest fears are 1.once off it i will have a loss in motivation and drive then ihad before on my cycle and look even worse then i did before 2. hahah like u said loving n n just getting bigger n bigger n bigger 3. I trust the info all u guys r giving me, but ive seen alof of people come of cycles n in 2 months they look liek absolute ****, For right now im training 100 percent natural and hopefully i can obtain the look im looking for. im 6'1 and weigh 190 lbs , not ripped but muscular, like when i have a shirt on i look like i workot(just using it as an example) so i figure if i can naturally get up to 205-210 and be cut, ill be happy n no need for juice, but man doing one cycle and being at my goal sounds alot easier then training hard for 4 months n having a STRICT ass diet

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    if you can get up to say 300lbs on juice, then you should be able to maintain 250lbs fairly easily off the juice, if you eat well and stay in the gym...

    I am buying enough powder this year and then vaccumn sealing it and storing it so i can pretty much stay on until I die...

    I actually only plan to do 2 cycles a year starting next year... but you never know...

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    my intentions are def not to go into comp. or try this out as a career/way to make money. to be honest just want to look good,and be healthy, right now i feel like i need to train naturally for a few months n see if i can stick with it, if i cant do it now then i def cant do it after a cycle

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    with your attitude, just stay natural... you have no buisness doing steroids ... i mean that in a good way... sounds like you will be better off with creatine, extra protien and training/food/rest...

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    Just bust your ass and eat right after your cycle, you have to fight the urge to quit and work out even HARDER than you did ON cycle, like the other bros said, eat right and train hard, take creatine along with a good pct you can keep enough of your gains. It changes your frame forever though you always look better.

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    I def understand with what you mean when you say i have no buisness doing steroids , i i just cant seem to get the defined look i want, ne one mind if i post my workout n diet n n u guys can give me some feedback(instead of the workout forum)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machdiesel
    I def understand with what you mean when you say i have no buisness doing steroids, i i just cant seem to get the defined look i want, ne one mind if i post my workout n diet n n u guys can give me some feedback(instead of the workout forum)
    Dude, alot of keeping your gains depends on what drugs you are using. Most of the drugs where the gains are more retainable cost alot more money(var, winny, primo, suspension, Halo, Masteron , etc etc) The ability to keep gains on most tests is tough. If you continue to train hard and eat right you can probably keep like 60%, but never 100% no matter what. Actually, I think EQ is a great one for keeping gains. A perfect cycle would be 500mg/wk test, 400/wk EQ. I think EQ is the best all around drug there is, its a great one for a lean mass or a cutting run. I'd get some EQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by stayinstacked
    Actually, I think EQ is a great one for keeping gains. A perfect cycle would be 500mg/wk test, 400/wk EQ. I think EQ is the best all around drug there is, its a great one for a lean mass or a cutting run. I'd get some EQ

    Agree...I love EQ. When added to test of course

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    MONDAY- CHEST

    FLAT DUMBELL- X12 10 8 6 12
    INCLINE DUMBELL- same, the 8 and 6 r done so that the last rep is exhaustion
    DECLINE BENCH- 3 X12 (last one is almost exhaustion
    Chest press 3X12- done very slow and really flex my chest to get a good stretch

    TUESDAY- BACK

    Hit lat row- 4x12
    Lat pull down(wide) 4X12
    Row machine(inside grip_ 4x12
    that machine u load the weights on the front, then step up n the platform n pull it up kind alike a deadlift- 4X12
    SHRUGS-5x10
    I lay down flat on an incline bench on my stomach and do raises- 3X10

    wed- legs (no need to add all this)

    THURSDAY- SHOULDER/TRI's
    Military smith machine(front) 12 10 8 6 12(same as my benches)
    arnold presses- 3x10
    side raises(palms foward) 3x10
    front raises(bar) 3X10
    Skull crushers- x10 x8 x6 x10
    ezbar pushdown-3x10
    rope pull down-3X10
    another tricep excercise on the pec deck- 3X10

    fri- Bis
    ezbar sitting curls- 3x10
    long bar- 12 10 8 6 12 same as bench
    standing curls(start off palms facing side then come up and have them facing chest)3X10

    incline bech curls(palms always fcing foward 3 X 10

    Cardio 3 times a week, and abs 3 times a week, cardio 20 mins 2 miles

    Ne suggestions to maybe gain a few pounds but more importantly get the rippes look?? or is htis workut not what im looking for, i pretty much devised it myself

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    Terrible routine bro, your hitting 3 large muscle groups in 3 consecutive days. My advice for a lean mass run would be to do a better spit, and weight train 3-4 days/week max, then eod cardio for at least 40 min. The cardio will keep you burning extra cals, while eod training will help the muscles recover even quicker. If it were me, I'd throw back in with chest, tues just cardio, wed legs, thurs shoulders tris like you got, Fri would be off, Sat, biceps abs cardio, sunday maybe cardio or off

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    Go to the workout forum and do some research. You can put together a better program than what you are doing now. Also, posting like your doing in a threat someone else started is . You need to start your own with whatever questions you have after doing research on this site.

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    whats eod training? was readingabout Dc training, but seems like thats more for strength gains???
    would a good workout look something liek this


    Monday- Chest - Cardio
    Tuesday- Legs/Bi's abs
    Wed- Running/Abs
    Thurs- Shoulders/tris/abs
    Friday - back/cardio
    sat- cardio/abs

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    HAHA yea man didnt mean to jack this thread, but it seemes like his Q was answerd n people seemed to start responding to me, but ur right my bad, yea i posted in there but this forum always has tons of people in it, n the workout one is sometimes dead

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    I bump this!
    I am a 20 year old natural athlete. I have been working out for a year and half constantly, I have made my gainzzz, and work hard. I would like to know; I want to get to 195 pounds at 8-10% bdf, and I am 181 5'07" at 12-13% bdf
    I want to be able to compete in football (american) therefore I need to increase my bench 225 x 10 reps or more, and overall strength, and speed. I train 4-5 times a week, also I train for speed, and agility separately. my question is how many cycle do I need, and will I keep my strength and gain, once stopped juicing with good pct, and diet.

    Stats:
    DL:455lb rm
    Bench:225 rm
    squat:365 rm

    All that with 8 months of powerlifting.
    My goal is to become strong, fast, and agile.

    Cheers m8,
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    Why the fvck did you resurect a post who died 9 years ago...

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    Clicking.on the button " new thread" is too hard???

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    Pleas next time start your own post

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    General rule of thumb
    One is not enough and two is to many lol

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    It all boils down to how bad you want it .... I weighed 300lbs of fat when I started I wanted so bad .... And I can tell you honestly I hate working out and I def hate running but I want it so bad I can't stop ... Of I was naturally skinny I prolly wouldn't workout at all honestly ... But that's not in the books for me ... I'm naturally overweight ... I can stop working out today and gain 20lbs fat in 2 months ... And since I'm not natural slender that only gives me the options of being a fatbutt or getting the physique I want .... Solo you just push and diet right and keep on pushing ... Don't quit because it hasn't happened for you yet ... If you don't have the physique you want then you are doing everything you can do to get it ... Just keep up the good work and keep on

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    In 2005 I didn't even know what juice is. Other than OJ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by qscgugcsq View Post
    Why the fvck did you resurect a post who died 9 years ago...

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    Clicking.on the button " new thread" is too hard???
    Cracked me up...
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    Teamcan just start a new thread. You will get more answers

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    Quote Originally Posted by stayinstacked View Post
    Dude, alot of keeping your gains depends on what drugs you are using. Most of the drugs where the gains are more retainable cost alot more money(var, winny, primo, suspension, Halo, Masteron, etc etc) The ability to keep gains on most tests is tough. If you continue to train hard and eat right you can probably keep like 60%, but never 100% no matter what. Actually, I think EQ is a great one for keeping gains. A perfect cycle would be 500mg/wk test, 400/wk EQ. I think EQ is the best all around drug there is, its a great one for a lean mass or a cutting run. I'd get some EQ


    This post is..........ah interesting to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael30 View Post
    This post is..........ah interesting to say the least.
    is it correct or incorrect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daxfit View Post

    is it correct or incorrect?
    It's BS. Nutrition determines what you will attain and retain. Always expect a little loss off cycle. A lot can be water but some muscle loss can occur. That's why they are called "cycles" because you run a few each year as part of your over all fitness goals and plans. How often and what you eat in addition to staying committed to training determine long term sustained results.

    EQ is crap.

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