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    How many have cycled without NOLVA and PCT??

    Just wondering how many out there have never expeirenced sides from juice? Just straight juice no pct.

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    Umm pct doesn't have much to do with sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LB55blitz


    Umm pct doesn't have much to do with sides.
    Umm ok let me make myself a bit more clear.

    You're on the juice, some get gyno, acne...yadi yadi...to battle that you would take nolvadex , proviron ...ect. correct?

    Now my question is...how many here have not had sides from the juice without taking anti-Es? ?

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    Well we use PCT. to get our test levels back to normal.
    Now if you dont use PCT then the side effects you could have would be limp dick, depression, loss of apetite. Trust me you want you PCT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoobJuice
    Well we use PCT. to get our test levels back to normal.
    Now if you dont use PCT then the side effects you could have would be limp dick, depression, loss of apetite. Trust me you want you PCT.
    Yea I know I'm doing the pct, have it on hand and ready for it.

    My question derived from this. I know of this guy that was HUGE, 6-0 275 , a big juicer. Never took anti-e's or PCT...just wondering how much truth would be to that. thats all.

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    Well if thats what he told ya Im sure its the truth, I don't think Arnold and them boys had PCT. But now that we do, its better to be safe than limp dicked and lonley right?

    Someone help me out on this.

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    We've all heard stories about the big guy who doesnt do pct and still keeps his gains...sometimes it might be true, others not. The bottom line is, most of us need to do it to and finding out the hard way that you do need it is simply not worth it.

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    I totally agree with you on that.

    IT's def. better than being limp dicked! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juddman
    We've all heard stories about the big guy who doesnt do pct and still keeps his gains...sometimes it might be true, others not. The bottom line is, most of us need to do it to and finding out the hard way that you do need it is simply not worth it.
    Well put bro! I don't think I would ever run a cycle without Nolvs and clomid...it's not worth it like you said.

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    I have cycled without anti-Es (still do)..and have done a cycle without PCT (back when i knew little about gear)...more out of ignorance than any other reason. I'll never do it again.

    Limp dick and other sides aside... it just would be raw stupidity ...and counter-productive to my bodybuilding goals if i ever did it again
    Last edited by *Narkissos*; 04-07-2005 at 12:18 PM.

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    i did my 1st cycle without any anti-e's or pct... i didnt have a clue wut either were! lol... all i have to say is i'll never do that again.

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    I have twice, before i knew anything. Got deca dick, bad back acne, and really bloated. Lost EVERYTHING i gained my first two cycles. I would recommend anti-e's and proper PCT...

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    <---20 shots of test enanthate 250, 500mgs per week.....no sides

    <---20, 2cc shots of yellow cap organon decas, 400mgs per week, stacked with gaspari's "M-One-T", 4 capsules per day (10ml per).....minor shoulder acne, minor retention in the face.

    <---first cycle, 10 shots Deca 300, 600mgs per week, stacked with gaspari's original "One-T"....minor retention around lower abdomen & face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Rig
    Umm ok let me make myself a bit more clear.

    You're on the juice, some get gyno, acne...yadi yadi...to battle that you would take nolvadex , proviron ...ect. correct?

    Now my question is...how many here have not had sides from the juice without taking anti-Es? ?
    ok gotcha. well the nolva will help with the estrogen related sides like bloating and gyno. if someone can juice without having to take nolva, then they are lucky. i would be screwed if i didnt have an anti-e

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