Best Test/sust newbie cycle??

weeks 1-10
Test E 500mg/wk
Nolva 20mg ed
Proviron 25mg ed
Maybe weeks 7-10 winstrol 40mg ed/var 40mg to lean up?

OR

Sust 250 (dose?)
Nolva 20mg ed
Proviron 25mg ed

OR

test e 500mg/wk
deca 400mg/wk
Nolva 20mg ed
Proviron 25mg ed

Some questions? Test e takes like 4 weeks to kick in so many frontload or use dbol as an option to speed up gains. Would sust therefore be a better option as it takes effect quicker but then again i heard many find it hurts when injecting a lot more than test e? Also dont want to use dbol...any other options (oral) to add to start?

Basically what would be the best option for a 1st time cycle...i.e. best gains and least side effects for a 8-10 week cycle?

stick with enan for your first

you can use prop for your first four weeks if you do not mind ed injections

if this is your fisr cycle do test e. if you run the sust you will need to inject eod. on the other hand sust has prop in it and will start working much faster.

what would u recommend for the kickstart? i know dbol for weeks 1-4 at 20-30mg ed is good....but what else (oral) will be good? Tbol?

if you going for a lean cycle you can run var 1-6 40mg day. im not a big fan of d-bol i get to much water bloat. var will help you get you strength up qiuck.

so Var will be a good kickstart? Would turanabol not be better as it is like dbol without the bloat?

oh would 8 weeks be enough or run it for 10 weeks?

i never run t-bol. i would run the test min 10 week 12 would be better