2nd cycle questions

[jrock38]

My first cycle went great, I took 10c of test over 6 weeks and 3 weeks of D-Bol. I initially gained 20 pounds and kept 10 after it was all said and done.
I am currently in my third week of my 2nd cycle taking 2c of Sus and 2c Deca a week along with 50mg of D-Bol a day. I am statrting to get a little concerned though as I have only gained 5 pounds???? And im not really holding any water?
I am eating at least 6 times a day taking in 300g of protein 325g of carbs and 3500cals. I work out at least 6-10 times weekly.

Any ideas as to what might be holding this cycle back?

[hardgainer1]

how many mgs of sus are you doing a week? 500? how many deca ?

[j martini]

What do you mean by training 6-10 times a week you could be overtraining.

[fudgedelic]

It's only the third week, give it a little time before you jump to conclusions, also upping the cals a little would be of some benefit.

[jrock38]

how many mgs of sus are you doing a week? 500? how many deca?

500mgs of sus
400mgs of Deca

[lucabratzi]

how long did u take off, b4 starting this cycle

[jrock38]

What do you mean by training 6-10 times a week you could be overtraining.

Monday pm
Tuesday am and pm
Weds pm
Thursday am and pm
Friday off
Saturday am
Sunday usually every other week

[jrock38]

how long did u take off, b4 starting this cycle

4 weeks off

[jrock38]

little more info on me

currently 6 ft 4 in 207pounds

when i started first cycle 192 pounds

My goal is 225-230 solid and ill be happy

[fudgedelic]

You really need to take more time off, time on = time off, and thats the bare minimum. Running your cycles so closely together greatly lowers their effectiveness, also did you even run PCT after your first cycle?

[jrock38]

Ive also got a 3rd cycle planned which I plan on starting in June for 8 weeks more for cutting.

1 500mgs sus 400mgs deca 100mgs eq
2 500mgs sus 400mgs deca 100mgs eq
3 750mgs sus 400mgs deca 100mgs eq
4 750mgs sus 400mgs deca 200mgs eq
5 750mgs sus 400mgs deca 200mgs eq
6 750mgs sus 400mgs deca 100mgs eq
7 500mgs sus 400mgs deca 100mgs eq
8 500mgs sus 200mgs deca 100mgs eq

Any thoughts?

[j martini]

Monday pm
Tuesday am and pm
Weds pm
Thursday am and pm
Friday off
Saturday am
Sunday usually every other week

If they are all weight training then you are certainly overtraining, if some are just cardio workouts then you definitely need to increase calories as 3500 wont be enough given your activity level i would say this is the problem given that you weigh 207 at 6 foot 4.

[jrock38]

You really need to take more time off, time on = time off, and thats the bare minimum. Running your cycles so closely together greatly lowers their effectiveness, also did you even run PCT after your first cycle?

I couldnt get any Nolvadex or Clomid so I used Forza-T with 6=oxo and Tribulus for my PCT

[jrock38]

If they are all weight training then you are certainly overtraining, if some are just cardio workouts then you definitely need to increase calories as 3500 wont be enough given your activity level i would say this is the problem given that you weigh 207 at 6 foot 4.

The only Cardio I do is Core training 3-5 times a week. I do not use treadmills or bikes, once in awile I will jump on the elyptical trainer but at my weight I dont see cardio a need.

[fudgedelic]

You need to slow down for a sec here, i don't know how you could be thinking of a 3rd cycle in june, you need to be doing PCT properly, diet looks as if it needs some work, and that cycle doesn't really make any sense imo.

[j martini]

Unless you used test prop, with only 4 weeks off the test from your previous cycle would have hardly left your body before you started another cycle. I would delay that cutting cycle to at least september. Remember that diet is far more important than any AAS, i know you dont want to believe this but the quicker you do the faster you will reach your goals.

[jrock38]

All my info and workouts are coming from a good friend who has been using for 5-6 years now.
He started out at 5-11 160 and is now at 225 with 10% body fat.

Im not expecting overnight results but from everything Ive been hearing Sus is the best Test out there for results

[fudgedelic]

Well someone can use for 5-6 years and even doing things improperly obtain results, however, this doesn't make them a good source of information

[jrock38]

You need to slow down for a sec here, i don't know how you could be thinking of a 3rd cycle in june, you need to be doing PCT properly, diet looks as if it needs some work, and that cycle doesn't really make any sense imo.

This is why im posting out here to get more info.
So 4 weeks off isnt enough? What would be a sufficient amount of time?
8-10 weeks?

[jrock38]

Well someone can use for 5-6 years and even doing things improperly obtain results, however, this doesn't make them a good source of information

Correct that is why im looking elsewhere for answers

[fudgedelic]

Well like i said in an earlier post time on = time off is the minimum, ie you spent 6 weeks on take 6 weeks off minimum, never hurts to stretch that out a little more.

[j martini]

Sus is no better than any other test out there test is test. I bet this friend is also selling you the gear.
Train no more than 4 days a week
increase your cals to 4500 a day
and i guarentee you will see results
Do not listen to your friend who has financial gain at sake listen to people on this board who have nothing to gain by offering you advice.

[jrock38]

Thanks to all for the info please keep it coming if there is anything else. I will definately try taking more time off and probably change my workout some.

One last thing is there really any safe places to order online or not?
Ive looked at alot of sites but dont want to take any chances.

[fudgedelic]

Asking for sources is just inviting in scammers, i'd ignore any pms you may get now offering a source, on the other hand if you have a source you think might be legit and are considering ordering from pm a mod and run it by them.

[jrock38]

Asking for sources is just inviting in scammers, i'd ignore any pms you may get now offering a source, on the other hand if you have a source you think might be legit and are considering ordering from pm a mod and run it by them.

Thats what i was thinking too, I will just continue getting it from my source.

Thanks