10 week or 12 week ??

**godofwar99** · 04-13-2005, 01:02 PM

sup bros

should i run a 10 week test @ 500mg

or 12 week

this will be my first cylce

I have dbol and deca , but maybe I should just run the test. people keep saying either way. its my first cycle, ive maxed out my genetics to say the least that is why im moving to the gear to get me over the hill

i was going to run

dbol 30mg ed 1-4
test e 500 week 10 weeks
deca 300 week 10 weeks

nolva 10 ed
clomid 14 days after
clen after complete cycle

or should i just run 500 test 10 weeks?
or 500 test 12 weeks?

what variation would be the best for my 1st cyc?
all experienced users please post

**tycin** · 04-13-2005, 01:04 PM

i would go with:

wks 1-4 dbol 30mg/ed
wks 1-12 test e 500mg/week
wks 1-12 nolva 10mg/ed
pct 14 days after last test e injection-clomid day 1 300mg, days 2-11 100mg, days 12-22 50mg and 20mg/nolva thruout pct.
maybe throw in clen during pct

**godofwar99** · 04-13-2005, 01:05 PM

no deca then? dbol will kickstart me a bit with the test im guessing?

**tycin** · 04-13-2005, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by godofwar99

no deca then? dbol will kickstart me a bit with the test im guessing?

u got it

**Mesomorphyl** · 04-13-2005, 01:06 PM

Maxed out your genetics? Can you tell me your stats? height weight bf% age...

**Consistency** · 04-13-2005, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by tycin

i would go with:

wks 1-4 dbol 30mg/ed
wks 1-12 test e 500mg/week
wks 1-12 nolva 10mg/ed
pct 14 days after last test e injection-clomid day 1 300mg, days 2-11 100mg, days 12-22 50mg and 20mg/nolva thruout pct.
maybe throw in clen during pct

^^^100%^^^ Perfect

**godofwar99** · 04-13-2005, 01:09 PM

nice sounds good to me

im 5'9 almost 5'10 213 bf% 9.7 currently (last week)

been bb for 23 years naturally

been around 207 - 215 for as long as i could remember, arms stretch marks the whole deal. cant seem to break it, I change my routine diet etc. nothing has worked thus far. that is why i am moving on.

**godofwar99** · 04-13-2005, 01:10 PM

i did do creatine glutamine, some prohormones about 5 years back - the big andro kick (even though mcquire was lying about prohormones and really juicing it up)

also tried m1t but shut me down really hard because 6 0x0 and dermabolics spray didnt do anything for my natural test levels

**tycin** · 04-13-2005, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by godofwar99

nice sounds good to me

im 5'9 almost 5'10 213 bf% 9.7 currently (last week)

been bb for 23 years naturally

sounds like ur definalty ready to hit a cycle.. good luck and keep us posted.

**godofwar99** · 04-13-2005, 01:18 PM

thanks tycin i will

i am hoping for good gains. I dont ever expect much but i have learned over the years that bodybuilders (professional) are juiced

I remember growing up and reading the magazines like wow tom platz, franco, arnold, even farther back then them

now that im older i see how they got so big and lean, i guess it was just a matter of time someone finds out the truth. its weird to because you sit there when your younger and say i will be THAT big one day. (naturally) and it doesnt happen unless you are just a genetic freak. lol it was similar to santa when you find out he isnt real (ya i know sorry for ruining some of your dreams - spoiler) lol but it was the same thing with gear and finding out about arnold and my other idols ( i guess i never wanted to believe what people were saying) I dont mind though, I think its great because you still need a great diet, dedication, and a passion for what you do. I hate people that say OH YOU TAKE ROIDS, that is the ONLY reason your huge. But they think if you open a bottle of dbol and pour them into your mouth, youre a monster a month later.

life is interesting..

**fitnessguy** · 04-13-2005, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by tycin

i would go with:

wks 1-4 dbol 30mg/ed
wks 1-12 test e 500mg/week
wks 1-12 nolva 10mg/ed
pct 14 days after last test e injection-clomid day 1 300mg, days 2-11 100mg, days 12-22 50mg and 20mg/nolva thruout pct.
maybe throw in clen during pct

couldn't have said it better....

**The Massacre** · 04-13-2005, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by tycin

i would go with:

wks 1-4 dbol 30mg/ed
wks 1-12 test e 500mg/week
wks 1-12 nolva 10mg/ed
pct 14 days after last test e injection-clomid day 1 300mg, days 2-11 100mg, days 12-22 50mg and 20mg/nolva thruout pct.
maybe throw in clen during pct

Fantastic!

**fitnessguy** · 04-13-2005, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by godofwar99

thanks tycin i will

i am hoping for good gains. I dont ever expect much but i have learned over the years that bodybuilders (professional) are juiced

I remember growing up and reading the magazines like wow tom platz, franco, arnold, even farther back then them

now that im older i see how they got so big and lean, i guess it was just a matter of time someone finds out the truth. its weird to because you sit there when your younger and say i will be THAT big one day. (naturally) and it doesnt happen unless you are just a genetic freak. lol it was similar to santa when you find out he isnt real (ya i know sorry for ruining some of your dreams - spoiler) lol but it was the same thing with gear and finding out about arnold and my other idols ( i guess i never wanted to believe what people were saying) I dont mind though, I think its great because you still need a great diet, dedication, and a passion for what you do. I hate people that say OH YOU TAKE ROIDS, that is the ONLY reason your huge. But they think if you open a bottle of dbol and pour them into your mouth, youre a monster a month later.

life is interesting..

so true. glad to see you are doing it right. You've got a great attitude bro. I wish you the best of luck...

**GrantC5** · 04-13-2005, 01:24 PM

I am about the same as you except weight is 203, I am going to try the same thing minus the Dbol and I am going to ad Var in towards the end at 40mg ED. We will see what happens, keep us posted on your gains and I will too.

**godofwar99** · 04-13-2005, 01:28 PM

no doubt bros, thank you all for your support I havent had such great friends in years. always been so busy with work and life. It seems like everyone here has a great online family. I really appreciate all your posts. people tend to be so negative towards newbies but this has been a great experience, I will continue to post here and talk. I am taking notes as we speak (the cycle listed above)gaining experience and looking to learn the most I can. Every single person that post responses to me has been part of my bodybuilding experience. thats what I love about this sport, its got some high class people. *for the most part lol*

**godofwar99** · 04-13-2005, 01:30 PM

one thing I noticed with cycle

you have 10 mg ed of nolva

then at the bottom you listed 20mg nolva , is that 20 mg nolva at the end of my 12 weeks? one day after? can you clearify ..thanks so much!

seems I should increase nolva in the PCT phase. starting one day after 12 weeks?

**fitnessguy** · 04-13-2005, 01:34 PM

also if i may add, throw in some tribulus at around 5g ED to help you recover better and retain gains. tongkat ali is another additive for pct... just a thought. also read pheedno's pct sticky. some people do it that way...

**godofwar99** · 04-13-2005, 01:36 PM

wonderful what brand of tribulus should i be looking for

this is the biggest problem i have, i want the best VALUE (price/effectiveness) ratio

ty again fitnessguy

**fitnessguy** · 04-13-2005, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by godofwar99

wonderful what brand of tribulus should i be looking for

this is the biggest problem i have, i want the best VALUE (price/effectiveness) ratio

ty again fitnessguy

i was using Optimum Nutrition trib but i just got 100g of the powder form from trueprotein like 30 minutes ago.

gonna cap my own and try it...supposed to be better than others but we'll see. There is much debate on this topic...

**Consistency** · 04-13-2005, 01:41 PM

www.leavesandroots.com

$12 for 480 grams!!! I just hooked everyone up...

**tycin** · 04-13-2005, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by fitnessguy

also if i may add, throw in some tribulus at around 5g ED to help you recover better and retain gains. tongkat ali is another additive for pct... just a thought. also read pheedno's pct sticky. some people do it that way...

good addition i run 5g/ed thruought cycle... i get mine from bb.com i just ordered the highest dosed one its 750/cap. it has a blue and white label i cant remember the name.

**HeavyHitter** · 04-13-2005, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by godofwar99

sup bros

should i run a 10 week test @ 500mg

or 12 week

this will be my first cylce

I have dbol and deca , but maybe I should just run the test. people keep saying either way. its my first cycle, ive maxed out my genetics to say the least that is why im moving to the gear to get me over the hill

i was going to run

dbol 30mg ed 1-4
test e 500 week 10 weeks
deca 300 week 10 weeks

nolva 10 ed
clomid 14 days after
clen after complete cycle

or should i just run 500 test 10 weeks?
or 500 test 12 weeks?

what variation would be the best for my 1st cyc?
all experienced users please post

my advice, didnt read anybody elses... at your 10th week your gonna be wishing you did a 12 week, so 12 week all the way!! hahahaha

**big_mike** · 04-13-2005, 01:43 PM

I don't know about how you react....but my gains start to slow down right after week 8...that is why i cut my test cycle to 10 weeks only...I didn't see the point in going any longer if it wasn't helping...just go by how your body feels..

**jc3** · 04-13-2005, 01:45 PM

I too don't understand why you wouldn't continue taking the nolva at 10 ed until clomid therapy. If the test is still high enough in your body to warrant waiting for pct for two weeks it seems that you would still need to control the estrogen....correct?

**godofwar99** · 04-13-2005, 01:46 PM

heavy hitter LOL no ****. Thanks bro hahahahah when you hit it, HIT IT HARD

same with the (ok i wont say it for the females) lol

**godofwar99** · 04-13-2005, 01:48 PM

anyone want to add to the nolva taking? 10 mg then 20 or 10 all the way to clomid?

**fitnessguy** · 04-13-2005, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Consistency

www.leavesandroots.com

$12 for 480 grams!!! I just hooked everyone up...

what?! i feel raped. and i thought i was getting a good deal...

**jc3** · 04-13-2005, 01:52 PM

I meant to say that I would take 10 a day up to clomid and then go to 20. Just my advice and I am by no means an expert. But the reading I have done points me in this direction. Good luck bro....JC

**godofwar99** · 04-13-2005, 01:54 PM

thanks jc. I need to check out that roots site now for tribulus

**jc3** · 04-13-2005, 01:56 PM

godofwar....

Hit up a mod or vet and ask them as well. I wouldn't want to hand out bad advice to you. Read Pheedno's PCT sticky and then decide for yourself what you think is right. Personally, I will go with the Nolva all the way up to PCT. No need to mess with b*tch tits if you don't have to.

**godofwar99** · 04-13-2005, 01:59 PM

i hear that. no doubt. also i am looking on the ROOTS site for the TRIBULUS

which did you get? the powder forum?

thanks guys

**fitnessguy** · 04-13-2005, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by godofwar99

i hear that. no doubt. also i am looking on the ROOTS site for the TRIBULUS

which did you get? the powder forum?

thanks guys

just to warn you, the powder form of trib tastes like 3 week old a$shole. Not that i know what that tastes like

but...you can imagine. so if you don't plan on capping or some other alternative then i would go with the capped form...JMO

**godofwar99** · 04-13-2005, 02:07 PM

taste is not the problem, even glutamine taste like **** if you get the good stuff lol

smell valerian **** man thats **** smells yummy LOL

**Cuttup** · 04-13-2005, 02:08 PM

drop the deca guy,..go with 500,..10 is fine, 12 may be beter if your sides are tolerable. my first cycle i was so sick in week 9,..i thank God that i choose 1 0 week cycle and not 12.

**Mesomorphyl** · 04-13-2005, 02:08 PM

You have a pm

**godofwar99** · 04-13-2005, 02:09 PM

how did you get sick?

**godofwar99** · 04-13-2005, 02:11 PM

meso got the pm thanks a lot bro, solid SOLID advice. you must be huge LOL

**Mesomorphyl** · 04-13-2005, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by godofwar99

meso got the pm thanks a lot bro, solid SOLID advice. you must be huge LOL

Im not that dedicated LOL, why is it always easier showing other people? plus I am a diet retard. You will be way bigger than me in this one cycle that my 6 completed did for me, that is with the info you have provided is accurate.

**godofwar99** · 04-13-2005, 02:18 PM

lol ihear that diet is huge, i think that is truly the hardest thing for most people

**fitnessguy** · 04-13-2005, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by godofwar99

taste is not the problem, even glutamine taste like **** if you get the good stuff lol

smell valerian **** man thats **** smells yummy LOL

glutamine tastes like dominos supreme pizza, thick, stuffed crust when you've been deprived of food for 3 weeks compared to tribulus. clomid is just as bad if it's not mixed w/ something.