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    lose everything after test E

    How come everything i read about test..alays ends with maybe keep 10% of gains even on this web site!!! ??? ........ but yet every thing ive read on deca .becuase its slow acting and improves protein synthisis n the muscle, u can maintain 75-85% of your gains..its true muscle after u lose the water retention ?? why is everyone so down on deca then if its so good ? please exlplain

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    Deca is great as long as you dong run it alone..thats where youre gonna get problems. Those charts are a little outdated, a lot can be kept from test with proper pct.

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    my limited research...

    I recently bought 20 ml of deca and was thinking of doing it alone. Then thanks to this forum I found out that deca by itself is bad news, hell of a muscle builder, but has some bad side effects. Like a dick that don't work, and depression. Now I wld b deppressed if my dick didn't work so imagine if the gear was also making u deppressed? Not a far stretch to say suicidal...
    I don't know if your numbers on what u keep from running test r accurate, but if for no other reason u run it to keep mister winky workin, and keep the old melon from goin bad. I m about 2 weeks from startin my test e and deca cycle.

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    so it is safe to say that...although the side effects r low libido deca is def a hell of a builder and one that u can keep i assume...but not to be taken for long periods of time without a test replacment

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    As just about anyone on here will tell you, every cycle begins with test. Or rather, test is the base of any quality cycle.

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    Unless, of course, you're just doing a cutting cycle. In which case you definitely wouldn't be doing deca anyway.
    Last edited by SensP; 04-15-2005 at 11:09 PM.

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    pct...

    The vibe i got from everyone is that deca shldn't be takin by itself at all. u run say 400mg deca for say 12 weeks and 500 mg test e for 13 weeks. split the test e into 2 shots of 250 mg twice a week say monday morning ,thursday night. also from everything i hve read it doesn't matter what kind of gear u run, if u don't hve proper pct u ain't keepin much.

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    how bout running only 6 weeks?? i would think it takes just a little longer to get bad side effects from deca .......like 8-12 week cycle ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by faustunta
    how bout running only 6 weeks?? i would think it takes just a little longer to get bad side effects from deca.......like 8-12 week cycle ???
    Bad idea...deca alone for any time period is not advisable. Whats your problem with adding test?

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    Deca sucks period unless you like to look like Nemo for one reason or another.

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    That info is a little outdated, and testosterone does cause you to have a positive nitrogen balance.

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    juddman's right...

    juddmans right, just add the test, besides imo 6 weeks is too short i wld think that at 6 weeks things wld just be startin to get good. i think 8 weeks wld b the shortest. i hve decided 12 deca 13 test shld do the trick. is this your first time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juddman
    Bad idea...deca alone for any time period is not advisable. Whats your problem with adding test?
    oh nuting at all....but i just curious..... also i make the assumption that although moderate gaisn can be made from short cycle of 6 weeks..... the same can hold true for the amount of lose of gains when u come off..with proper pct i wou;ld think a 6 week cycle of deca 200-400 mg pr week and a low dose of 300-500mg test e with a kicker of 2 -3 weeks of dbol 15-20mg finished off with 2 weeks of clomid.... one should be ale to keep almost all gains made assuming the water retention can be kept low

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    There is no cycle without test.

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    so is it a good idea to run deca with a test prop/dbol cycle? or is it better to leave the deca out?

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    deca is over-rated imo......go with eq test instead.

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    For my first cycle I'm planning on 300 mg test/week, 200mg deca /week and an as yet unknown amount of anavar for the first 4 weeks as a jumpstart. I'm running the entire cycle 10 weeks.

    Keep the test higher than the deca and you should be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SensP
    For my first cycle I'm planning on 300 mg test/week, 200mg deca /week and an as yet unknown amount of anavar for the first 4 weeks as a jumpstart. I'm running the entire cycle 10 weeks.

    Keep the test higher than the deca and you should be fine.
    Dont do the Var for 4 weeks to jump start
    Use D Ball... 4 Weeks of var is not long enough...
    Good Luck Bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latimus
    deca is over-rated imo......go with eq test instead.

    Thats funny how peoples opinions differ. I think EQ is way overated IMO and Deca is much better for size but has a lot more sides. I guess thats why they are opinions. Every ones body is diffrent ...you must find what works best for you as a individual. I personaly find EQ to not do the wonderffull things other say they love about it.

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