well i didnt think it was really kickin in....then my strength started goin thru the roof...im back up to 315 for 5 on bench for a couple sets....considering last week i did it for 3....ill be back up to 8-10 in no time...and im startin to get shredded up too....i have only put a pound on but thats fine with me....bf down...strength up...3 more weeks of tren....7 more of cypionate...and 6 weeks of winny after the tren...god i love this stuff!