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    Anyone try using same needles ?

    Anyone ever just use 1 pin only to withdraw from vials and switch only to a new one for IM injections?

    Going through 2-3 pins per injection EOD is another pain in my ass

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    reusing the same needles are bad bro. there used to be a pic that showed what a needle looked like after 1-4 injections. maybe someone can help out with that.

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    For the sake of being sanitary, I'd highly suggest it(Edit: Swapping needles). Your needle won't be that much duller, but, it's still worth the small price.

    Quote Originally Posted by GOATNUTS
    reusing the same needles are bad bro. there used to be a pic that showed what a needle looked like after 1-4 injections. maybe someone can help out with that.
    You mean this one?

    Last edited by Blown_SC; 04-21-2005 at 03:22 AM. Reason: Clarification.

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    An infection will be a lot more of a pain in the ass than switching needles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YounG_SluG11
    An infection will be a lot more of a pain in the ass than switching needles.
    Too True.

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    yeah thats the one. thanks bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blown_SC
    For the sake of being sanitary, I'd highly suggest it. Your needle won't be that much duller, but, it's still worth the small price.


    You mean this one?

    these photos r impressive, I love them.

    how can u think of using a pin again it costs a few cents...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ***xxx***
    these photos r impressive, I love them.

    how can u think of using a pin again it costs a few cents...

    exactly. Pinz are a dime dozen mate i would never consider reuseing them
    Last edited by Adam.S; 04-21-2005 at 03:02 AM.

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    that fourth picture looks like it was stuck into concrete. i used to always use the same needle for suckig out the gear ,and then a new one every time to shoot but its risky. your better off just using one needle for the whole thing and be done with it unless your dealing with those ****ty hard rubber stoppers. if its an ampjust dont scrap the bottom

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    When you finally have to go to the DR from reusing the same equiptment, make sure you tell them its a "spider bite". That'll fill a line in thier paperwork and save you the hassle of telling them what in the abcess.

    Not directed at anyone person on this thread, just FYI.

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    I have received 1000s of allergy shots from dr's and nurses for almost 20 years and not once have they ever changed the needle after drawing the fluid out of the vial. I talked to my friend who is also a doc and said its not necassary to change it either. Just be clean and sterile and you'll be fine

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    Its not necessary to change. But if i'm sticking ME, im **** sure going to use a virgin needle. If i'm sticking YOU....bah. I'll use the needle thats been on the floor for a week

    On that note, for those drawing out of ampules, you should be using a 5.0 micron filter needle. I know you have gotten away with it for years, but that microscopic glass has to come out sometime.

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    I think what you are asking is if you can continue to use your drawing needle for drawing subsequent shots, and just change to a new shooting needle for each shot and discard that one, but re-use the drawing needle next shot. Still, bad idea. It is no longer sterile! Pins are too cheap to worry about wasting a few. What's the big deal about using two needles per injection? Look... here's what I do. I buy 3cc syringes equipped with 21ga 1-1/2" pins, in boxes of 100. I buy 25ga and 23ga needles, 1-1/2" long, in boxes of 100. I don't even remember what I pay... less than $20 for the rigs... I think Terumos work out about 16 cents each. The pins are really cheap... about 6 cents each as I recall figuring out one day. So small that I don't even notice the price. I draw with the 21ga already on the rig, then change to either 23 or 25ga for the shot. I discard both pins in my approved, labeled sharps container, and toss the syringe and wrappers and caps in the trash. The front section of my morning newspaper costs me more than my injection equipment. An abscess would cost me a lot more.

    Do the right thing. DO NOT re-use pins for any purpose! It is the wrong thing to do.

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    Never use a pin more than once.

    They are cheap buy them up....

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    I use the same pin to withdraw from all vials, and even if I'm filling more than one barrel, then I waste only one pin ad keep the good ones and reattach them when done fro injection, never had an abcess (note not reusing, just using the same one to withdrawl all)

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    Quote Originally Posted by firenwire
    Its not necessary to change. But if i'm sticking ME, im **** sure going to use a virgin needle. If i'm sticking YOU....bah. I'll use the needle thats been on the floor for a week

    On that note, for those drawing out of ampules, you should be using a 5.0 micron filter needle. I know you have gotten away with it for years, but that microscopic glass has to come out sometime.
    i wory about the glass too but a dr said not to. you think little shArads of glass are going into the amp????//?

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    i Once only used 3 needles my whole cycle...no problems...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdogge
    i Once only used 3 needles my whole cycle...no problems...
    your were VERY lucky!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdogge
    i Once only used 3 needles my whole cycle...no problems...
    just because u were fine that time doesn't make it a safe practice. this shouldn't even b debated... pins r so cheap, it's a no brainer... don't reuse at all.

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    i wrokout with some old school guys. THey all use the same needle for five -ten times!!! They say everyone used to do that. I hate this. I'm not a puss but ****, it hurts after about three uses. I figure i will just order some. Surely they'll use them if i got em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marauder79
    Going through 2-3 pins per injection EOD is another pain in my ass
    why, they cost 10 cents a pin!!!!!!!! geeez bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdogge
    i Once only used 3 needles my whole cycle...no problems...
    one of the stupidest things i have ever read on this board

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    just ridicilous ur spending all this money on eating properly workign and out and on gear why would u sacrifice pennies on ur health and possibly getting an abcess i work at a hospital if u have ever seen someone with a bad one u would certainly rethink what a few cents are a pain in the ass for u

    just my 2 cents

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    Quote Originally Posted by superchump
    i wory about the glass too but a dr said not to. you think little shArads of glass are going into the amp????//?

    Medical professionals are taught to use a filtered needle from amps. I know most don't; but it is a standard of care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1victor
    I use the same pin to withdraw from all vials, and even if I'm filling more than one barrel, then I waste only one pin ad keep the good ones and reattach them when done fro injection, never had an abcess (note not reusing, just using the same one to withdrawl all)
    Same here. I only use one syringe through the cycle also. I always use a new pin for injecting.

    Although I don't advocate others do this, I've done it for years and have never had a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firenwire
    Medical professionals are taught to use a filtered needle from amps. I know most don't; but it is a standard of care.

    They don't aspirate either, neither do I.

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    Good photos, that 4th one does indeed look like it was
    jabbed at concrete....or something

    It is a small price to pay, i've stocked up . I recently switched to using
    a 18 for draw because 23's took too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS1476
    Good photos, that 4th one does indeed look like it was
    jabbed at concrete....or something

    It is a small price to pay, i've stocked up . I recently switched to using
    a 18 for draw because 23's took too long.
    When you run out, try some 21ga for drawing. You might find that the 18 tears the stoppers up pretty bad. I draw with 21 and shoot with 23 or 25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron
    When you run out, try some 21ga for drawing. You might find that the 18 tears the stoppers up pretty bad. I draw with 21 and shoot with 23 or 25.
    Thanks for the tip, Im going to have to
    keep an eye on that...didnt notice. If it
    does back to the 23's until I get 21's....lol

    Inventory is slowly building.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron
    When you run out, try some 21ga for drawing. You might find that the 18 tears the stoppers up pretty bad. I draw with 21 and shoot with 23 or 25.
    exactly what I do 21 for drawing 25 for shooting..Ive found it's the easiest most sanitary way to gear up....Just takes about 5 minutes to get 3cc's out of a pin but less scar tissue and pain so Iam all for it...
    reused pinz

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    It depends. If Im breaking glass I use a filter needle. If Im stickin a rubber top, I dont switch.

    ps Whatever doctor said you dont need a filter is full of sh*t. They dont know d*ck about giving shots anayway. Its the nurses.
    Last edited by RA; 04-29-2005 at 09:43 AM.

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    Ok I used to use 22's to draw and stick same pin, I would stabb it in the vial, draw it out, then wipe my ass and stick it in the ass. I now draw with the 22 and then change pins to a 23 and stick it in my ass, what a differance, its less painful!!!!

    I go through 2 pins-one syringe each time, its worth it dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KINGKONG
    exactly what I do 21 for drawing 25 for shooting..Ive found it's the easiest most sanitary way to gear up....Just takes about 5 minutes to get 3cc's out of a pin but less scar tissue and pain so Iam all for it...
    reused pinz
    I might as well get 25's with the 21's
    as well at the same time....just in case
    Im sure I'll wanna try that guage as well....

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    I forgot to tell ya a trick. If your hitting the rubber and you need to draw 3mls then get 3mls of air in the barrel. Stick it in push the air in and draw your juice. Maybe you already knew but I didnt. Used to sit there for a 1/2 hour waiting for the stuff to drain.

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    i was at the doc a few weeks ago geting my test levels checked and when she drew the blood, i asked out of curiosity what gauge needle she was using. she politely replied with a "21 guage" i thought to myself, HOLY MONKEY SH*T!!!!!! never

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS1476
    I might as well get 25's with the 21's
    as well at the same time....just in case
    Im sure I'll wanna try that guage as well....
    The 25's are smooth as butter I don't feel a thing pushing them in..I was using twenty one gauge for shot's years ago before this site existed and it's like someone shooting you with a pellet gun everytime you get shot not very fun for ED injects.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS1476
    I might as well get 25's with the 21's
    as well at the same time....just in case
    Im sure I'll wanna try that guage as well....
    When you order, order your syringes with 21ga pins. I see guys ordering syringes with their shooting pins on them... they have to switch twice. Order with the drawing pins attached. Then you only switch once, to attach the shooting pin. so a typical order for me would be:

    100 syringes, 3cc, with 21ga 1-1/2" needles
    100 needles, 25ga 1-1/2"
    100 needles, 23ga 1-1/2"

    I like to buy 100 at a time. Much handier to have them in the box than loose or in a bunch of ziplocs.

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    Thanks Baron & KONG

    I think I'll like the 25's lol

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    sorry if im hijacking this thread, now these little pieces of glass what are they gonna do? i tried getting a syringe filter at the pharmacy and they said i need to get them at the hospital which makes things co mplicated.

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    I was a flight paramedic for 6 yrs and now I am in Medical School. This thread is a good way to get people misinformed. First off, you do not have to filter when drawing from a glass vial. Second, all medical staff are taught to aspirate to ensure that they are not in a vein(Remember it is an intramuscular injection no an intraveneous one) You can shoot with the needle you draw with. If you wipe the top with an alcohol pad, it will be sterile. It will not be dulled so much as to be harmful. And last, everyone is right needles are too cheap and should never be reused. Hope this helps. Guns

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