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    Something is wrong with me...Help

    Ok, its been 5-6 weeks since my last shot of my cycle. Did my pct, and I DONT have erectile problems. I naturally dont produce testosterone , so I have to use a rub on, everyday. Been on it, since b4 my last cycle, but I havent used it since my last shot. I kept on posting askin when should I restart it, with really no help. Now I put it on and when I cum, its like cottage cheese,its super thick like when your test is sooo high. WTF? What do I do? I cant go to my endochronologist, he will surely rat me out. HELP!! I want to get back to normal so I can atleast do another cycle.

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    so ur sayin u produce no test. and u have to use a rub on, what does this mean

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    ok. u have one of those rub on testoserone creams. so just get off it use pct. and go to him and do some hrt.

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    I think the only way to be sure is to go get some bloodwork. Then come back here with the results. maybe someone else can help you better than I

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    no no. I finished my cycle. Did my pct, and waited like 3-4 weeks b4 starting the TRT(test replacement therapy) and its like I have an over load of test. This is the same thing that happened when the doc overloaded me with test. The gizz gets like thick clumpy cottage cheese, at that time my test was over 4k. So I am severely angry, and screw like i am on a cycle of just test. No one has any ideas?

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    I would just go to the doc and bite the bullet on this one man. Whats the worst that he can do, scold you? Better safe than sorry imo.

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    sounds like U know more whats wrong than anyone else.....
    Get blood work done without doc knowing, couldnt hurt.

    gizz like cottage cheese....thats funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazed98
    Ok, its been 5-6 weeks since my last shot of my cycle. Did my pct, and I DONT have erectile problems. I naturally dont produce testosterone, so I have to use a rub on, everyday. Been on it, since b4 my last cycle, but I havent used it since my last shot. I kept on posting askin when should I restart it, with really no help. Now I put it on and when I cum, its like cottage cheese,its super thick like when your test is sooo high. WTF? What do I do? I cant go to my endochronologist, he will surely rat me out. HELP!! I want to get back to normal so I can atleast do another cycle.

    crazed, explain your condition better and we'll be able to help you better. strongly advise you not to take advice from the ignorant until we know more about the situation.

    if you have some kind of hypogonadism problem, and naturally don't produce testosterone , then doing PCT is completely pointless. the whole point of PCT is to restore your natural testosterone production. if there's no natural testosterone production to restore, there is no reason for PCT.

    there are some athletes who never come off, and your AS usage pattern will follow theirs - instead of "cycle -PCT - off period - cycle..." these athletes are basicly on a continuous cycle. they cycle, then they "cruise" on a fairly low dose for a while to ease stress on their body, then they up the dosage and "cycle" again. no need for PCT

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    the clomid people use for PCT can cause giant pornstar loads, maybe this is part of your problem. another thought - you're hypogonadal, don't normally produce test. the whole point of the PCT drugs is to make testes that aren't producing test anymore to start producing test. maybe the clomid kickstarted your nuts, and thats why you're getting strange fluid output. how are your balls, are they larger than normal? thats a sure sign they've been stimulated to produce test again. and balls that make test also start making more semen and other fluids.

    go to mesorx.com, and ask Swale the medical moderator about it, he's the foremost expert on HRT/pct drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MS421
    I would just go to the doc and bite the bullet on this one man. Whats the worst that he can do, scold you? Better safe than sorry imo.
    well gee, he could drop a note in his file that said "DRUG ABUSER - STEROIDS " and if he got a new job, their insurance company could decline to insure him.

    his doctor might also reduce his daily testosterone to the very bottom of the normal range, to prevent him from "abusing testosterone".

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    note to the newbies - this is not an opinion poll, don't give advice unless you have genuine knowledge about the subject you're advising about. this $hit is DANGEROUS, we're risking our health, our lives, our jobs and our freedom. sometimes i want to cry when i read someone giving advice that i KNOW will get the guy in jail, or seriously screw his health. DON'T give advice just cause you like to type, give advice when you know what you're talking about.

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    well gee, he could drop a note in his file that said "DRUG ABUSER - STEROIDS" and if he got a new job, their insurance company could decline to insure him.
    doctors are there to help people. No doc goes through medical school with intentions of exposing drug abusers, they go there with intentions of helping them. I've told more than one doc that I've used and was using AAS and both of them told me to stop, and then helped me with what I needed. Nothing has ever been put in my file that says anything related to steroids . Consequently my insurance has never declined me.

    All I was saying was that without bloodwork he'll never know what his test is at. Load sizes are not really an accurate measure. It could be from the clomid, it could be from the gel. I just think that without proper bloodwork he won't know what the problem is. Otherwise it's just guessing. Sorry if you think that's ignorant.

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    i KNOW will get the guy in jail, or seriously screw his health.
    you don't know that it will get him in jail!!! Like I said I've gone to more than one doc, confessed my steroid use and nothing has ever happened because of it. Please do explain how going to a doctor is going to have negative impact on his health???
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    I dont know what I have and neither does the doctor. Ran all these tests and they came up with I had a bacterial infection that hit my pituitary and ****ed me up. Now on the rub ons I feel all wierd and tired. I actually am ADHD, and super hyper but on the TESTIM I am laid back... Whatever, but my nuts never really change on or off, weird huh? One might shrink a little, but after PCT its ok. For pct all I do is buy HCG , and take 3cc's of the water mix it with the powder and take 1cc every 4 days. Never clomid. Why, dont know, I have all these body builder friends who win MR south florida and all these competitions and use the stuff, so I figured mine as well listen. I know the difference on HCG, I cum like a lakes worth, now its the regular amount, but like a thick resin. Its deffinetly not normal. Endochronologists in my area are scarce and my insurance only covers 2 diffeent guys and went to both. This is becoming a problem and I just want it to go away..My girl is getting all weirded out.. I can control her, but I just want to go onto another cycle, not that I have done that many, just cyp/deca at 500/350 for 10 weeks.

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    Well look maybe it's just me, and I'm sure others will disagree. But if I was in your shoes, I wouldn't get back on the juice until I knew what was going on, and it was either corrected or controlled. I don't see sense in throwing your hormones and body into chaos when something is already amiss. Just my $.02 I wish you the best of luck.

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    I actually have discussed steroid use with my doctor and while he warned me on the effects, he actually helped and didnt call the authorities or put little drug abuse notes in my file. One thing we do agree on is not giving out ignorant advice, which is why I suggested he go to the doctor because unless an endochronologist is reading this thread I feel he would have a greater understanding of this problem than any of us.

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    Oh and by the way, I have done 3 cycles over 2 years. I want to get a 18 inch arm and a big chest, I dont want to look like arnold, its just 6 years in the gym, and since 2001 I havent changed a bit, I hired trainers, dietitions, everything, and finally got tested, and have lack of testosterone . ACTUALLY I have a severe lack of HGH, since I was 16, found that out cause I stopped growing.Went to a Endochronologist at the age of 17, and he told me that with levels this low, I will not grow. My parents were affraid of side effects, so I didnt take any HGH. All the males in my family are 6'+ and I am 5'7 on a good day. So please understand its not that I dont put in the efforts, I just have trouble growing. I can put up AMAZING amounts of weight but just dont get the size I want, hence the juice. It does help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazed98
    Ok, its been 5-6 weeks since my last shot of my cycle. Did my pct, and I DONT have erectile problems. I naturally dont produce testosterone, so I have to use a rub on, everyday. Been on it, since b4 my last cycle, but I havent used it since my last shot. I kept on posting askin when should I restart it, with really no help. Now I put it on and when I cum, its like cottage cheese,its super thick like when your test is sooo high. WTF? What do I do? I cant go to my endochronologist, he will surely rat me out. HELP!! I want to get back to normal so I can atleast do another cycle.
    Calm down...You have nothing to worry about bro. Here's the answer to your questions (By the way, I'm hypogonadal too--in other words, I have natrually low testosterone levels and am on HRT [hormone replacement therapy]):

    1. The consistency of you cum changes based on your diet and hormonal changes. Sometimes it will be ultra thick, sometimes watery, sometimes normal viscosity. If you just went through a cycle, then your body is readjusting. After you change up your diet and your body re-adjusts, then your cum will probably return to it's natural consistancy again. BTW...your ejaculate (cum) also can change color and smell based on what you eat. It's not always the same.

    2. If you are hypogonadal, then you should go back on your HRT after your cycle ends. People who are prescribed HRT really do not have to worry about doing PCT after a cycle, because their testosterone levels are natrually low--PCT won't help the hypnogonadal men.

    3. Since you're on HRT (hormone replacement therapy) year round, the thing you need to worry about between cycles is whether your body has re-adjusted properly. If you get off a cycle and go right on HRT, then it's going to take a longer time for your RBC count (red blood cell count) to drop back into the normal range and it will take your lipids (HDL cholesterol and LDL cholesterol levels) a longer time to adjust since you're essentially on some form of steroids year round. This is DANGEROUS because, if your RBC count stays elevated for too long and doesn't have a chance to decrease after a cycle, you could have a stroke. If your lipids don't re-adjust within a reasonable timeframe, then you'll slowly clog your arteries--a condition that might not be noticeable now, but will set you up for an early death later.

    4. If you are on HRT, my suggestion to you is go right back onto HRT for 4-8 weeks, taper off or stop your HRT or reduce the dose of your HRT for 1-2 months to let your body begin to adjust (during this time, you MUST be incredibly anal about eating right else you will loose all of your gains). Go back on HRT and then have your doctor check you (full blood test including liver values, lipids, testosterone levels, etcetera). This is what I've done with a doctor's supervision to normalize. READ MY DISCLAIMER BELOW IN RED. DO NOT FOLLOW ANY OF MY ADVICE UNTIL YOU'VE GOTTEN IT APPROVED BY A HEALTH PROFESSIONAL WHO IS TRAINED TO GIVE ADVICE IN THIS AREA. I AM NOT A HEALTH PROFESSIONAL, I'M ONLY DISCUSSING THIS INFORMATION FOR INFORMATIONAL/RECREATIONAL PURPOSES.
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    Im sure Im out of line...

    1st.. I am grateful for this person U replied,TRULY I AM But I honestly cannot tell for the life of me where the ignorance comes into play here??
    Only a few people replied to him, blood work a bad thing? someone like U that could help him was bound to come along....or something.Thats what makes this site so great.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMA
    note to the newbies - this is not an opinion poll, don't give advice unless you have genuine knowledge about the subject you're advising about. this $hit is DANGEROUS, we're risking our health, our lives, our jobs and our freedom. sometimes i want to cry when i read someone giving advice that i KNOW will get the guy in jail, or seriously screw his health. DON'T give advice just cause you like to type, give advice when you know what you're talking about.
    With all due respect...

    U really dont need to talk down to the "newbies" as U put it. Your knowledge would shine through brighter without it.

    I think most of us here know the risks we are taking....thats for sure.Not everyone is 17 here.

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    BASK8KASE nice read. excellent info

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS1476
    BASK8KACE nice read. excellent info
    Thank you.
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    Hydration...

    I was a Medic in the Army and a medical assistant for a while also.

    I am not a Doctor but based off of what I have seen with similar problems the consistency of your semen has to do with hydration and water retention levels. If you are not drinking enough water (cutting) that may be why. Also, Test causes water retention. When you come off the test there may be various temporary consistency changes from that as well.

    Also, if you are on the Atkins (low-carb) diet this can affect consistency since most of what semen is made out of is water and SUGERS.

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    Sorry lol and I thought I checked the sp, and still got it wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by symatech
    you don't know that it will get him in jail!!! Like I said I've gone to more than one doc, confessed my steroid use and nothing has ever happened because of it. Please do explain how going to a doctor is going to have negative impact on his health???
    you aren't a newbie, my criticism wasn't aimed at you. i was speaking i general terms, not about the specific advice on this thread.

    your doctor won't report you to the police, i was referring to the apallingly bad legal advice frequently given on this forum.

    i never said going to a doctor would have a negative impact on his health, but i have frequently seen advice about drugs given on this board that wasn't very safe.

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    If you disclose your drug use to the doctor, s/he has a responsibility to write it down (log it). Some insurance companies can deny you health benefits if you have any health issues that later can be traced to drug abuse. Although most people here don't consider themselves drug abusers, the truth is: if you're using steroids without a prescription for an existing, documented condition, then you're considered a drug abuser.

    The doctor's report alone probably won't get you sent to jail, but it could cause problems for you and possibly used against you in a court of law depending on whether a good lawyer knows how to bring such evidence into play.

    If you tell your doctor that you're dealing drugs or have committed crimes related to drugs, then--as I understand it--s/he is under no obligation to keep that secret. In fact, your doc may be under obligation to report you (as are therpists when they are told by a patient that a crime has been committed).
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS1476
    Im sure Im out of line...

    1st.. I am grateful for this person U replied,TRULY I AM But I honestly cannot tell for the life of me where the ignorance comes into play here??
    Only a few people replied to him, blood work a bad thing? someone like U that could help him was bound to come along....or something.Thats what makes this site so great.



    With all due respect...

    U really dont need to talk down to the "newbies" as U put it. Your knowledge would shine through brighter without it.



    I think most of us here know the risks we are taking....thats for sure.Not everyone is 17 here.
    point taken and apology issued. i was out of line, i was actually reacting more off some stuff i had read on some other threads, and vented in an inappropriate place.

    i realize most people here are adults, aware of the risks and making their own decisions about their own health and safety. but on many threads, i see people throwing around half-understood information and endangering the health and safety of other people.

    -peace

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    BASK8KASE is numero uno!!
    good read bro... glad to have people with good knowledge around here like you...keep up the good work.

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    1)Good info form bask8kace
    2)sorry for the confusion mma
    3)I still disagree about the doctor patient confidentiality. From my experience with 2 doctors both of which I informed fully of my use I saw each time what they wrote in their report and it had nothing to do with steroids . One was for an abscess and one was for an infection. Thats all they put. They wrote nothing of the cause.

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    Wow this is good stuff! As for the carbs I rarely eat them. I am allergic to wheat glutens, wheat,I cant break down sometype of sugar in them or some crap, basically any carb. So I do eat them but moslty eat like fish and chicken, beef, and green veggies.
    BASK8KASE- You really scared the **** out me. What would be the worst if I just stopped the HRT, all together? I feel it is hindering me anyway. Cloggin this and hurting my HDL levels, is way too scary for me.If i stop how long do I wait for my next cycle if i stop the HRT?

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    My DO(osteopathic) I can talk to he is cool, but the endo will ruin my day. Cause all he ever talks about is " are you sure u NEVER done steroids ?" He will right me up. The DO doesnt know what to do with steroids. Look I am going to stop the rub on crap, and see if I feel better. This is what I did. I finished my cycle, did HCG , and then waited 3 weeks b4 using my rub on, and when I did, i didnt use it everyday like it was prescribed, cause of the cum issue. It makes me feel sooo weird. What would happen if I stop the HRT? Will I be able to have kids? Will I age earlier than other men?

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    I like helping at this board--BUT WHY CAN'T YOU PEOPLE SPELL MY NAME CORRECTLY??

    BASK8KACE

    Okay, I'm calm now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazed98
    My DO(osteopathic) I can talk to he is cool, but the endo will ruin my day. Cause all he ever talks about is " are you sure u NEVER done steroids?" He will right me up. The DO doesnt know what to do with steroids. Look I am going to stop the rub on crap, and see if I feel better. This is what I did. I finished my cycle, did HCG, and then waited 3 weeks b4 using my rub on, and when I did, i didnt use it everyday like it was prescribed, cause of the cum issue. It makes me feel sooo weird. What would happen if I stop the HRT? Will I be able to have kids? Will I age earlier than other men?

    i'm not a doctor, but the whole idea behind HRT is that there is nothing dangerous about boosting your test levels to the normal range. normal HRT doses will just put you at the same test levels as the guys doing good PCT.

    i remember discussing this with you when you first joined the site, but have you talked to Swale yet? i know your doctor is supposed to be top notch, but this is a highly specialized field with a lot of nonstandard "off label" use of drugs that your doc just might not be too familiar with. Swale really knows how to get the most out of your nuts
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    Quote Originally Posted by symatech
    1)Good info form bask8kace
    2)sorry for the confusion mma
    3)I still disagree about the doctor patient confidentiality. From my experience with 2 doctors both of which I informed fully of my use I saw each time what they wrote in their report and it had nothing to do with steroids. One was for an abscess and one was for an infection. Thats all they put. They wrote nothing of the cause.
    you had some very kind doctors, because many doctors would have noted your drug abuse and it's conseqences in your chart.

    also (and i recomend this to everyone), order acopy of your own medical records, you'll be amazed whats in there.

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    dude don't worry, i don't produce any testosterone either and cycle and i'm fine.

    My cum changes too, i'm on now and its so thic it just hangs there like glue in a long strand. heck my girl doesnt care anyway. when i'm off cycle it usually goes back to normal,

    Just be sure to get blood tests before and after cycling. I always like to check my bp and cholestrol as if either of them go up you could be in trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazed98
    Wow this is good stuff! As for the carbs I rarely eat them. I am allergic to wheat glutens, wheat,I cant break down sometype of sugar in them or some crap, basically any carb. So I do eat them but moslty eat like fish and chicken, beef, and green veggies.
    BASK8KACE- You really scared the **** out me. What would be the worst if I just stopped the HRT, all together? I feel it is hindering me anyway. Cloggin this and hurting my HDL levels, is way too scary for me.If i stop how long do I wait for my next cycle if i stop the HRT?
    If you are truly hypogonadal and you stop HRT then your body will not produce enough testosterone to function correclty. As a result will loose all your muscle gains and you may experience some of the symptoms associated with hypogonadasim: lethargy, depression, impotence, decreased libido, etcetera.

    If you take care of your body, monitor yourself correctly, then you can stay as safe as is reasonably possible while "abusing" steroids .

    If you are having problems with your HRT, then you need to consult your doctor. No one on here can replace the advice given to you by your personal doctor.

    As far as the "Scary stuff" is concerned: If you use steroids , those are all real issues that you need to consider while you're deciding whether or not to use steroids. I had the same concerns when I started HRT--because I read what steroids can do. A lot of people don't bother thinkinging about anything else besides the easily noticeable side effects: hair loss, gyno, impotence, decreased libido, and they forget totally about the more serious issues. If you're going to use steroids, be one of the smart ones and make sure you're tested; make sure you monitor yourself.

    As far as how much time to take between cycles: the rule of thumb is time on cycle should equal time off cycle. But that is just a general and commonly accepted idea (based on the not-always-correct-assumption that your body needs exactly the same amount of time on a cycle as off a cyle to re adjust). The truth is: Steroids affect each person differently. The only way you're going to know whether or not you've recovered adequately is to take time to learn about your body and it's natural functioning, get tested, and use your doctor as a resource to stay as healthy as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazed98
    My DO(osteopathic) I can talk to he is cool, but the endo will ruin my day. Cause all he ever talks about is " are you sure u NEVER done steroids?" He will right me up. The DO doesnt know what to do with steroids. Look I am going to stop the rub on crap, and see if I feel better. This is what I did. I finished my cycle, did HCG, and then waited 3 weeks b4 using my rub on, and when I did, i didnt use it everyday like it was prescribed, cause of the cum issue. It makes me feel sooo weird. What would happen if I stop the HRT? Will I be able to have kids? Will I age earlier than other men?
    dropping the HRT wil probably just leave you running around with no test in your system, like a guy who didn't do PCT. this is a miserable experience, as i'm sure you know.

    i can't help wondering if the PCT did in fact jumpstart your nuts, and thats whats causing the weird effects. hypogonadal men often have "watery" ejaculate, because it's lacking a lot of what your testes are supposed to produce. your cum is supposed to fairly thick, maybe your ejaculate is actually getting MORE normal, but you don't realize it because you've been hypogonadal your entire life.

    the modern PCT program is amazingly powerful at stimulating your testes into action again, but these are all "off label" uses. conventional medicine is much more into just hormone replacement, instead of stimulating the dysfunctional organ.

    the "high test" feel you're talking about could be the result of your body producing it's own test for the first time, and having your regular HRT dose added to it.

    Basketface, you're our resident hypogonadism expert, whats your opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMA
    Basketface, you're our resident hypogonadism expert, whats your opinion?
    My opinion is that you're a smart azz and should be drawn and quartered, slowly.

    On a serious note, I already posted my response on this issue--you were still writing when I posted. Look at my post before yours.

    As far as the ejaculate (cum)...that varries based on diet AND hormones (as I've said). Hypogonadal men may have thick or watery cum. There's not just one thing that affects the consistancy of ejaculate.

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    dropping the HRT wil probably just leave you running around with no test in your system, like a guy who didn't do PCT. this is a miserable experience, as i'm sure you know.

    i can't help wondering if the PCT did in fact jumpstart your nuts, and thats whats causing the weird effects. hypogonadal men often have "watery" ejaculate, because it's lacking a lot of what your testes are supposed to produce. your cum is supposed to fairly thick, maybe your ejaculate is actually getting MORE normal, but you don't realize it because you've been hypogonadal your entire life.

    the modern PCT program is amazingly powerful at stimulating your testes into action again, but these are all "off label" uses. conventional medicine is much more into just hormone replacement, instead of stimulating the dysfunctional organ.

    the "high test" feel you're talking about could be the result of your body producing it's own test for the first time, and having your regular HRT dose added to it.

    Basketface, you're our resident hypogonadism expert, whats your opinion?
    what is the cause of your hypogonadism? if your testes were truly non functional, then the HCG would have had no effect, because all it does is mimic the chemical signal (LH) that tells your balls to start making test. if the problem is further upstream (pituitary) then Swales program of EOD hcg doses might help you live a more normal life.

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    what is the cause of your hypogonadism? if your testes were truly non functional, then the HCG would have had no effect, because all it does is mimic the chemical signal (LH) that tells your balls to start making test. if the problem is further upstream (pituitary) then Swales program of EOD hcg doses might help you live a more normal life.
    to test this - use all the test boosting PCT products, and have your test levels checked (while not using any HRT products). if you've got normal test levels, you've found a solution besides HRT. swale states his patients who use regular HCG with HRT have much better sex anyway

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