Stacks

**Dandude** · 10-03-2001, 06:51 PM

Hey guys,

I recently received some info that stacking a comperable steriod with deca would not be recommended for a first timer. There seems to be some conflicting info on what an acceptable beginning cycle. Should i take a single cycle of deca or is it safe to stack with a comperable enhancer. Just to give you an idea i am 6-1, 185 #, workout often and have good build. I want to develop much greater mass and structure. Your comments would be appreciated.

Also, i have received conflicting info on the much advertised "legal" alternatives to steroids , such as DERMA-GAIN which is advertised in this website, what are your comments?

Ranger · 10-03-2001, 07:10 PM

Nothing compares to the real thing Bro....and as for the Deca only cycle....heh heh heh....let a few others make a reply or two, and I'll spicen things up a bit on this subject....*wink*

Ranger

**PaPaPumP** · 10-03-2001, 08:11 PM

Ranger, I'll lay it down on him. The infamous "deca -dick" is what I presume Ranger is talking about. You will be a Hard Salami short of a Sock. Deca is a great Anabolic , but it does tend to soften the cock, and make it hard to RISE TO THE OCCASION. Maybe throw an Androgen in there such as Sustanon , Test Enanth, or Test Cyp, and you should be well on your way to grow. Plus, by putting a test in your cycle, your jimmy should be willing to spring up on command!

GL bro.

P

Don't forget the anti estrogen and clomid.

**Dandude** · 10-04-2001, 12:22 AM

Hey guys, thanks for the info.

New question on this subject though,

Do i have to include an anti estrogen with a Deca /Sustanon cycle even though it is my first cycle on these enhancers?

**Eddy23** · 10-04-2001, 01:26 AM

hey man is true dude nothing can compare the real juice man I think u should use deca with some test man that should ok dude.

**El Rey** · 10-04-2001, 05:01 AM

Amen to the others. Deca -dick is real enough. I also agree with those recommending test. as a remedy. I'm a cip. fan.... Although, if you're stuck with the Deca only, get some Viagra and your dick will work no matter what.

**Pete235** · 10-04-2001, 05:25 AM

dandude...re:antiestrogen...yes. If you decide to run a deca /sust cycle you will also need clomid (post cycle) and nolvadex (or arimidex ). Read up on these two in the drug profiles section of the main page or do a search. Good Luck, be safe.

Pete

**Full Intensity** · 10-04-2001, 05:45 AM

yup, if u decide to throw a test in that cycle then you'll need an anti estrogen otherwise if its a deca only cycle don't worry about it, but winny will help prevent gyno.

CYCLEON · 10-04-2001, 07:56 AM

realy depends on how much test you are using, but if over 400mg, then yes and anti=e such as nolva or preferably arimdex/liquidex would be quite benficial. Deca only cycles, while normally successfull to a point could be better seved with stacking test or EQ with both for your testes sake as well as increased cycle gaing

Ranger · 10-04-2001, 09:22 AM

Ranger's Words...and heed them well my young Iron Brother..." Treat anti-estro's like a condom, you may not always need it, but should the situation arise, it's nice to have on hand. "

Now on to Deca and stacks....Deca may aromatize into estrogen, but it is very small at best, those who think clomid, nolvadex , and or armidex will stop Deca induced gyno....Not hardly...

Deca has the affinity to bind to, and activate the Progestin recepters, meaning, gyno from Deca is a keeper...winny may help, but some may not respond to it...RU-486 has shown to stop Progestin sides, and shut down cortisol...But again, good luck finding that in the Good Ole USA.....

Deca dick is real, Deca is over priced, most often faked out of all steroids , shuts down HPTA rapidly, increases IM fat storage....blah, blah, blah....*wink*

Now, take the famous Sus 250, Deca, dbol stack....here we now have 2 completely different sides to contend with. To hopefully combat Deca sides you add Winny, hence another compound, and a 17AA as well....the price just went up!!

Adding EQ and dropping Deca to the stack...Hmmmmmmmm.....Now we have one side, the aromatization of Estrogen, which can be controlled easily with common sense, EQ is by far cheaper, less water, and follows the same pathway as deca.....

Just a few things to ponder the Game of Iron my young Brother....

Ranger

**PaPaPumP** · 10-04-2001, 09:39 AM

Great advice bro.

CYCLEON · 10-04-2001, 09:41 AM

now how did I know u were going to say that??

too bad decaman isnt over here!!!!!

yesssss - -- - Test/EQ/Dbol /Liquidex --------- Yummy, and darn near guaranteed cycle success (cept for diet and training, which are actually more important!)

**Big Al** · 10-04-2001, 09:47 AM

I shall be taking Eq next time round, I am converted!! Praise the Lord.....

BA

Ranger · 10-04-2001, 09:53 AM

Heh heh heh...I do wish Decaman, 2Thick, E2 and Macro was here....we could have alot of fun....*wink*

Ranger

**Dandude** · 10-04-2001, 05:31 PM

Thanks for the info guys.

That puts a new spin on my deca /sust research though, sounds like Test/Eq/Dbol might be the way to go. Something tells me there is some level of disagreement here. Interesting. Ranger, thanks for the explanation dude.

What do you guys do about the obviously increased risk of side effects that come with Dbol though. Acne, predisposed hairloss, etc? Is it as serious as the research says?

Dandude.