05-02-2005, 08:43 PM #1New Member
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Cypionate prescribed and want to up dosage.
Hi, my doc prescribed me Testosterone Cypionate for low testosterone levels . He has prescribed me take 200MG every two weeks. I would like to up my dosage for anabolic reasons but am unsure how much to take. I do not want to put on too much mass as I prefer a muscular, ripped look moreso then the massive muscular look. Can anyone make a suggestion on the amount I should take? ALso, is there any over the counter products I can take to reduce water retention and fat gain?
05-02-2005, 08:48 PM #2
wouldn't the doc notice when you are filling perscriptions twice as often as normal??
05-02-2005, 08:50 PM #3
diet will play the role in how you look. Yes there are OTC drugs that help with bloat and fat gain.
05-02-2005, 09:01 PM #4New Member
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He prescribed me way more then I need. I can get 2000MG a month renewed for 6 months. Should I start out slow using about 200MG a week and work up? Sorry, new to this so I am unsure whats appropriate and whats not.
05-02-2005, 09:04 PM #5
if you are not looking to get any bigger, than do what the doc recommended and get your diet on key. if you are looking to bulk, get your diet on key, and maybe bump it up to 400-500mg week. for 12 weeks. but because of the HRT not sure about PCT or anything or if you could taper down . maybe someone with HRT experience would better answer
05-02-2005, 09:59 PM #6
I would run 500mg for about 15 weeks then just bump it back down to 100mg a week. NO need for PCT
05-02-2005, 10:10 PM #7
If I were you I would simply bump your dose up a week. Instead of taking 200mg every two weeks, take 200mg every week. You don't need huge amounts of test to get anabolic effects. Personally my body reacts very well to low doses. Your body should do just fine using 200mg per week. Bump it up to 250mg/wk if you want, but I would not go over that. You don't need it.
Here is some info from Bask8Kace:
I keep seeing people write that 200mg of testosterone per week does nothing more than shut down a man's natural test production and bring him near "normal levels"--this is not quite correct. This incorrect statement has endured probably because someone wrote down thier idea/theory of what happens in the body, it sounded good, and other people repeated it. But, it is not correct. (I explain why it is incorrect below).
I was paranoid about side effects of testosterone on a normally functioning body, so I had my blood levels checked while on 200-250mg per week. The results of the tests indicated that the amount of testosterone in my blood was more than twice the high end of the normal range (The normal free testosterone range is 50.0-210.0 pg/ml*. My levels were found to be near 550 pg/ml). I also talked to my doctor and UPJOHN nurses a lot about using testosterone at these doses. Here's a brief bit of what I've learned from my doctor, the UPJOHN nursing staff (UPJOHN is the manufacturer of Depo-testosterone a.k.a Testosterone Cypionate ), and professional medical documents:
*--NOTE: pg/ml is the correct unit notation.
Using a long acting ester testosterone (CYP and ENAN) does not mimic the normally functioning male body's circadian rhythm (daily rise and fall of testosterone). Testosterone, in a normally functioning body, does not explode up to high levels then gradually fall over a 1-2 week period as it does when injecting a testosterone such as CYP or ENAN. On the contrary, the body produces a small amount each day which is far below 200mg (It's around 10mg). That small amount is concentrated at the beginning of the day and then falls low by the end of the day. This process repeats itself every day and by the end of two weeks, a normally functioning body produces approximately 140mg of testosterone (appx. 70mg per week).
The use of long acting esters are in theory supposed to slowly release the testosterone over a two week period, but this is not quite what happens. To keep it simple, the delay of the esters actually allows large amounts of testosterone to build up--especially if you are taking 200mg every week as opposed to once every two weeks (biweekly) which is what the dose is supposed to be. (I'm simplifying here). Remember the "normally functioning" male produces only (appx.) 70mg per week (=140mg per two weeks). The dose doctors are recommended to perscribe is 200mg every 2 weeks (biweekly), but they tend to give 200mg every week.
So, it is fallacious reasoning to compare the TOTAL amount of testosterone produced in daily spurts in a normally functioning body over a 2 week period to the same amount of testosterone injected in one shot at the beginning of a week and reshot every week (before the previous week's dose is used up). The latter case (injections once per week) results in an overlap and build up of dose which causes the levels of testosterone to be HIGHER than normal. (Remember the shots should actually be 200mg every TWO weeks--not every week). These excess levels of testosterone are sufficient to build lean body mass faster than the "normally functioning" male.
In other words: addding up what the average male body produces per week then comparing that to the amount that is shot every week is like comparing apples to oranges. There is a whole diferent set of advantageous reactions happening in the body when it is given a full
2-week load (200mg) at the beginning of a week as opposed to getting naturally occuring, small, daily spurts of appx 10mg over the same period of time (2 weeks).
This is why a low dose cycle can yeild REASONABLE gains. Understand, I'm not talking mega-huge-fast gains. I'm talking noticably-faster-than-normal gains, which when coupled with a strict diet, sufficient rest and an excellent bodybuilding work ethic, can yeild large, solid gains (especially early in a person's cycle experience).
05-02-2005, 10:13 PM #8Originally Posted by Consistency
Why are you telling the guy no PCT? I am on HRT and my doctor has PCT medication perscribed. You can't just stay on test forever, even at 100mg like you say. You need to give your body a rest, and help it start producing test naturally again. He will need PCT.
05-02-2005, 10:19 PM #9Originally Posted by Georgie
05-02-2005, 10:25 PM #10Originally Posted by Consistency
Yes, but not much higher. I run 300mg/wk of test. But the doctor does have me coming off. However, he does not prescribe to the body building rule many adhere to on here that time on = time off. Time off is much shorter, and HCG is given mid cycle. But i guess you are correct it is not a true HRT dose of 200mg every two weeks. But even in "true" HRT thearapy doctors usually prescribed 200mg/wk rather than every two like this man has prescribed.
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