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    EQ as a base? anyone?

    i am 34
    first cycle
    do not want to use TEST for first cycle
    but will use it on my 2nd cycle
    i am 5' 6" and 165 lb
    10-12% bf at the most
    i am only looking to gain 10 lb of lean muscle

    weeks 1-12 EQ @ 500 mg/week
    weeks 1-4 D-bol @ 25 mg/day
    weeks 10-14 Winstrol Depot @ 50 mg eod

    starting PCT after last winny inject
    clomid / nolva 21 days
    also trib and creatine

    has anybody ever used EQ as a base?
    do i need proviron during this cycle?
    do i need HCG at the end of this cycle?

    any help or critism would greatly be appreciated

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    I would say use the proviron .... don't worry about HCG you should be fine... really EQ should be run longer than 12... I would bump it to 16 or so myself.. I don't think I would take d-bol and winstrol in the same cycle... but thats on you... Good Luck and no matter what anyone says you will be fine.. No Test won't kill you... you just might not have as much fun...

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    yea if you dont mind not having as great of sex..knock yourself out

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    I used deca as a base on my first cycle and i deeply regret it. I had a limp dick and no sex drive for a long time afterwards. My wife was not happy at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001
    I used deca as a base on my first cycle and i deeply regret it. I had a limp dick and no sex drive for a long time afterwards. My wife was not happy at all.
    Not to put you down but I wished guys like you who admit to making such basic mistakes and tell others the consequences of these bad decisions. I think it is great and hopefully people listen!

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    Well listening to advice from this site has been a big help to me. I was so confused with all the advice I got from books, the internet and the guys at the gym. No one at my gym even does a PCT after they cycle. They all think I'm stupid but I'm now making great gains and they look like they did a year ago. And my dick works so my wifes happy again!!

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    I used eq stacked with var and had great results with few sides. I think I would drop the d-bol if I were you -that stuff usually adds alot of water Winny should be OK. Make sure you take your Trib. I Took Trib throughout my 12 week EQ cycle (400mg/wk with 35mg/day Var) without test and had no sexual sides. Put on 10 quality pounds, no bloat, kept gains.

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    hmm eq will make you eat alot...if you can control the hunger go ahead with that plan but if you cant control it (after all you want lean muscle) then i would use tren or deca in its place. deca will make you eat also but not as bad as eq (atleast for me) deca will make you retain alittle water but your anti-e's will take care of that. and eq is worthless under 400mg btw. deca is better mg for mg..my 2cc's

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    I did an EQ/Winny cycle for 12 weeks. Solid lean gains of 8 or so lbs and had no sexual sides at all. I agree with the above advise and I would drop the d-bol and yes do PCT.

    MJ

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    what if i used
    200 mg of test E/week
    as a maintainance for sex drive in this cycle
    and maybe strenched out the EQ for 15 weeks @ 400 mg/week
    anyone?

    thanks to all that have responded

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    bump for response

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    i'm w/ him, bump!

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    If you are going to run the test keep it higher than the EQ. 500mg test 400mg EQ would be good.

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    run 500mg of test e for your first cycle. Just make sure you have anti e's on hand and you'll be fine. In fact, you'll be glad you did!!

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