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    urgent help with sust250

    i had my first shot last week and have had no strength gain and am eating like a madman taking in 350g of protein, 150g carbs and 50 fat per day,

    I saw pics of sust which resemble mine and have been classed as an excellent fake, im hoping their not fake but in the meantime what should i do as im due to shoot tommorow??

    do i shoot and wait for it to kick in or what??

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    You have only done one shot?
    you neeed to do sus EOD like 200 EOD
    one week one shot sound like you should not even be one a cycle
    nows about nova ,L-Dex?
    you have your PCT on hand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by little men
    i had my first shot last week and have had no strength gain and am eating like a madman taking in 350g of protein, 150g carbs and 50 fat per day,

    I saw pics of sust which resemble mine and have been classed as an excellent fake, im hoping their not fake but in the meantime what should i do as im due to shoot tommorow??

    do i shoot and wait for it to kick in or what??
    1 shot last week and one tomorrow?? You should be shooting sus every day or every other day #1. next are you joking about not seeing results in 1 week?? if so you may one to use the search button and start doing some research you should have done months ago.

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    sorry i should have been more clear

    taking 15mg dbol ed 10mg in morning and 5 mg in afternoon
    sus250 1cc each 5 days
    have nolva on hand in case of gyno and for pct, have 120ml of it at 20mcg/1ml


    i shot on thursday night and am doing my next shot tommorow morning being tuesday,
    my concern was that i think it might be a fake due to the pics i saw
    should i still shoot it to see if it is legit

    is it too early at this stage to have an increase in strength?

    FATMIKE you missunderstood me im well aware i wont be noticing any gains in muscle for at least 3-4 weeks my question was is it to early for my strength gains to be noticed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by little men
    sorry i should have been more clear

    taking 15mg dbol ed 10mg in morning and 5 mg in afternoon
    sus250 1cc each 5 days
    have nolva on hand in case of gyno and for pct, have 120ml of it at 20mcg/1ml


    i shot on thursday night and am doing my next shot tommorow morning being tuesday,
    my concern was that i think it might be a fake due to the pics i saw
    should i still shoot it to see if it is legit

    is it too early at this stage to have an increase in strength?

    FATMIKE you missunderstood me im well aware i wont be noticing any gains in muscle for at least 3-4 weeks my question was is it to early for my strength gains to be noticed?
    Yes, its too early.

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    youll notice strength gain from the dbol before the sus even at the low dose you are taking. IMO you are shooting the sus wrong. needs to be shot daily or eod to keep blood levels stable and youll see better gains and less sides.

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    Here is some more convincing info. Written by basskiller on iron for life forums. you are shooting less frequent than mon, wed, fri so imagine...



    As you can see by the numbers, the quickest way to get the sust levels in your blood stream at a constant maximum level is to shoot ed.
    By the middle of week 1, your there, except for a few milligrams.


    On a 3cc case, each hash mark equals 25mgs of sust
    So to shoot
    200mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 3/4 of a ml
    150mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 1/2 of a ml
    100mgs would be 4 hash marks or a little under 1/2 of a ml
    basskiller

    days.. amount taken.......the amount in the blood stream
    1 ..............200mgs ................190mgs
    2 ..............200 .......................351
    3 ..............200 .......................487
    4 ..............150 .......................555
    5 ..............150 .......................612
    6 ..............100 .......................613
    7 ..............100 .......................614
    Week 2
    8 ..............100 .......................615
    9 ..............100 .......................616
    10.............100 .......................616
    11.............100 .......................617
    12.............100 .......................617
    13.............100 .......................617
    14.............100 .......................618
    Week 3
    15............100 .......................618
    16............100 .......................618
    17............100 .......................618
    18............100 .......................618
    19............100 .......................618
    20............100 .......................619
    21............100 .......................619
    Week 4
    22............100 .......................619
    23............100 .......................619
    24............100 .......................619
    25............100 .......................619
    26............100 .......................619
    27............100 .......................619
    28............100 .......................619
    Week 5
    29...,........100 .......................619
    30............100 .......................619
    31............100 .......................619
    32............100 .......................619
    33............100 .......................619
    34............100 .......................619
    35............100 .......................619
    Week 6
    36............100 .......................619
    37............100 .......................619
    38............100 .......................619
    39............100 .......................619
    40............100 .......................619
    41............100 .......................619
    42............100 .......................619
    Week 7
    43............100 .......................619
    44............100 .......................619
    45............100 .......................619
    46............100 .......................619
    47............100 .......................619
    48............100 .......................619
    49............100 .......................619
    Week 8
    50............100 .......................619
    51............100 .......................619
    52............100 .......................619
    53............100 .......................619
    54............100 .......................619
    55............100 .......................619
    56............100 .......................619


    Also you can see by the numbers...
    Your shooting 700mgs a week, with the exception of the 1st week,
    That your only really doing 619mgs.

    Here is the normal 3 times a week chart




    *Monday, Wednesday, Friday shots
    It never gets stable, just Here is Monday, Wednesday, Friday shots
    It never gets stable, just develops a pattern after week 7


    1 ...250 .......................238
    2 ...0 ..........................201
    3 ...250 .......................409
    4 ...0 ..........................346
    5 ...250 .......................532
    6 ...0 ..........................451
    7 ...0 ..........................384
    Week 2
    8 ...250 .......................566
    9 ...0 ..........................480
    10...250 .......................646
    11...0 ..........................547
    12...250 .......................703
    13...0 ..........................595
    14...0 ..........................507
    Week 3
    15...250 .......................672
    16...0 ..........................569
    17...250 .......................722
    18...0 ..........................611
    19...250 .......................758
    20...0 ..........................642
    21...0 ..........................547
    Week 4
    22...250 .......................706
    23...0 ..........................598
    24...250 .......................747
    25...0 ..........................632
    26...250 .......................776
    27...0 ..........................657
    28...0 ..........................560
    Week 5
    29...250 .......................717
    30...0 ..........................607
    31...250 .......................755
    32...0 ..........................639
    33...250 .......................782
    34...0 ..........................662
    35...0 ..........................564
    Week 6
    36...250 .......................721
    37...0 ..........................610
    38...250 .......................757
    39...0 ..........................641
    40...250 .......................784
    41...0 ..........................663
    42...0 ..........................656
    Week 7
    43...250 .......................722
    44...0 ..........................611
    45...250 .......................758
    46...0 ..........................642
    47...250 .......................784
    48...0 ..........................664
    49...250 .......................566
    Week 8
    50...250 .......................722
    51...0 ..........................611
    52...250 .......................758
    53...0 ..........................642
    54...250 .......................784
    55...0 ..........................664
    56...0...........................566

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    it will take 4 to 5 weeks before you notice the sus doing its job and then you,ll see ya strength go up

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    I got a question here now... can you split a 1ml amp of sust in half and the othre half still be good the next day? do you preload the 2nd half into the needle and storeit for a day???? How is it done... Cause I was planning on taking 250mg EOD

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    Quote Originally Posted by solid-d
    I got a question here now... can you split a 1ml amp of sust in half and the othre half still be good the next day? do you preload the 2nd half into the needle and storeit for a day???? How is it done... Cause I was planning on taking 250mg EOD

    thats what i did - pre loaded it and used it again the next day

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    Post a pic of your Sus 250 in the pictures section and see if anyone has seen it before?

    Also bump your Dbol to 30mg/ED for weeks 1-4

    You still need to be researching IMO if you dont know this and dont know you should shoot Sus ED/EOD...

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    starting week 2 of sust as well, is 500mg enough, im shootin EOD...or should i get more and up the dose around week 5 -6?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainDominate
    starting week 2 of sust as well, is 500mg enough, im shootin EOD...or should i get more and up the dose around week 5 -6?


    Keep the dosage constant through out the duration of the cycle

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    That is one of the hassles of using sust... the 250mg amps. Yeah, for 125mg EOD you can draw up into two syringes... get them even. Pull back on the plunger to purge the juice out of the drawing pins, remove and replace with your shooting pins, leaving the caps on. Prep your site and shoot one of them. Save the other in a clean place where it won't be disturbed and you can shoot it day after tomorrow.

    IMHO you are always better off with cyp or E. You can jumpstart if you like, by running prop also, for the first 3-4 weeks, tapering off as the long estered test builds up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Mike
    Here is some more convincing info. Written by basskiller on iron for life forums. you are shooting less frequent than mon, wed, fri so imagine...



    As you can see by the numbers, the quickest way to get the sust levels in your blood stream at a constant maximum level is to shoot ed.
    By the middle of week 1, your there, except for a few milligrams.


    On a 3cc case, each hash mark equals 25mgs of sust
    So to shoot
    200mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 3/4 of a ml
    150mgs would be 8 hash marks or a little over 1/2 of a ml
    100mgs would be 4 hash marks or a little under 1/2 of a ml
    basskiller

    days.. amount taken.......the amount in the blood stream
    1 ..............200mgs ................190mgs
    2 ..............200 .......................351
    3 ..............200 .......................487
    4 ..............150 .......................555
    5 ..............150 .......................612
    6 ..............100 .......................613
    7 ..............100 .......................614
    Week 2
    8 ..............100 .......................615
    9 ..............100 .......................616
    10.............100 .......................616
    11.............100 .......................617
    12.............100 .......................617
    13.............100 .......................617
    14.............100 .......................618
    Week 3
    15............100 .......................618
    16............100 .......................618
    17............100 .......................618
    18............100 .......................618
    19............100 .......................618
    20............100 .......................619
    21............100 .......................619
    Week 4
    22............100 .......................619
    23............100 .......................619
    24............100 .......................619
    25............100 .......................619
    26............100 .......................619
    27............100 .......................619
    28............100 .......................619
    Week 5
    29...,........100 .......................619
    30............100 .......................619
    31............100 .......................619
    32............100 .......................619
    33............100 .......................619
    34............100 .......................619
    35............100 .......................619
    Week 6
    36............100 .......................619
    37............100 .......................619
    38............100 .......................619
    39............100 .......................619
    40............100 .......................619
    41............100 .......................619
    42............100 .......................619
    Week 7
    43............100 .......................619
    44............100 .......................619
    45............100 .......................619
    46............100 .......................619
    47............100 .......................619
    48............100 .......................619
    49............100 .......................619
    Week 8
    50............100 .......................619
    51............100 .......................619
    52............100 .......................619
    53............100 .......................619
    54............100 .......................619
    55............100 .......................619
    56............100 .......................619


    Also you can see by the numbers...
    Your shooting 700mgs a week, with the exception of the 1st week,
    That your only really doing 619mgs.

    Here is the normal 3 times a week chart




    *Monday, Wednesday, Friday shots
    It never gets stable, just Here is Monday, Wednesday, Friday shots
    It never gets stable, just develops a pattern after week 7


    1 ...250 .......................238
    2 ...0 ..........................201
    3 ...250 .......................409
    4 ...0 ..........................346
    5 ...250 .......................532
    6 ...0 ..........................451
    7 ...0 ..........................384
    Week 2
    8 ...250 .......................566
    9 ...0 ..........................480
    10...250 .......................646
    11...0 ..........................547
    12...250 .......................703
    13...0 ..........................595
    14...0 ..........................507
    Week 3
    15...250 .......................672
    16...0 ..........................569
    17...250 .......................722
    18...0 ..........................611
    19...250 .......................758
    20...0 ..........................642
    21...0 ..........................547
    Week 4
    22...250 .......................706
    23...0 ..........................598
    24...250 .......................747
    25...0 ..........................632
    26...250 .......................776
    27...0 ..........................657
    28...0 ..........................560
    Week 5
    29...250 .......................717
    30...0 ..........................607
    31...250 .......................755
    32...0 ..........................639
    33...250 .......................782
    34...0 ..........................662
    35...0 ..........................564
    Week 6
    36...250 .......................721
    37...0 ..........................610
    38...250 .......................757
    39...0 ..........................641
    40...250 .......................784
    41...0 ..........................663
    42...0 ..........................656
    Week 7
    43...250 .......................722
    44...0 ..........................611
    45...250 .......................758
    46...0 ..........................642
    47...250 .......................784
    48...0 ..........................664
    49...250 .......................566
    Week 8
    50...250 .......................722
    51...0 ..........................611
    52...250 .......................758
    53...0 ..........................642
    54...250 .......................784
    55...0 ..........................664
    56...0...........................566
    Great post.

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    Don't know if this has been pointed out but your calories are way too low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by little men
    i had my first shot last week and have had no strength gain and am eating like a madman taking in 350g of protein, 150g carbs and 50 fat per day,

    I saw pics of sust which resemble mine and have been classed as an excellent fake, im hoping their not fake but in the meantime what should i do as im due to shoot tommorow??

    do i shoot and wait for it to kick in or what??
    In order to answer your question, you will have to give alittle more information. As to address if you have fake sust or not, post a pic, give a lot number, 207501 if I am not mistaken are fakes. I had them. What are your stats? How long is this cycle? Etc...

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