Test Substitute

[lexussupra]

Hi, i have a quick question. Everything I read says that you have to run some type of test as a base. Yet, I cannont get ahold of any type of test. How ever I have talked to a friends parent who use to be a personal trainer-body builder. He recomended (this is one of my question rather not this supplement is true or not) Htp5 that you can get at a health food store. He told me the only thing he can get me as far as gear was deca , winstal v, and eqapoise. He said that you can cycle deca with taking the htp5 and it will help gain sex drive back. Of course runnin clomid at the end and nolvadex through out. Is there any way this is true. Can I run a cycle with any of thoughs. Has anyone heard of htp5 ? please all info is needed. Also is there any alternative to test ?

[G-1000]

notghing will take the place of test. he is wrong in almost everthing he is telling you. if you take deac with out the test you will get deca di-ck. also nolv will not help with deca gyno b-6 does. if you can not get test from this guy find someone who can get it for you.

[lexussupra]

Thats what i figured. Thanks for the responce.

[Knight1811]

Thats what i figured. Thanks for the responce.

Ok, something to think about: Not everyone gets deca dick. As a matter of fact some will get increases in sex drive from Deca.

It's getting a bit old about people blindly mandating the use of test with Deca. That is simply not true. You can do Deca only cycles and not have deca dick!!!

Also, although deca gyno is progestrone related it still involves estrogen...lowering circulating estrogen levels will reduce and/or nullify your chance of getting gyno from deca. If you want the exact process explained...PM me and I will point you in the right direction/thread....basically "progesterone doesn't cause gyno directly, but through estrogen mediation. Without circulating estrogen it has no such effects. That is why anyone claiming to use only fina and getting gyno is a liar." After 2 weeks there isn't adequate estrogen to mediate this (BigCat)."

Knight1811

[esone]

wow research ......

[boywonder10101]

you ain't kiddin

[longhorn814]

Ok, something to think about: Not everyone gets deca dick. As a matter of fact some will get increases in sex drive from Deca.

It's getting a bit old about people blindly mandating the use of test with Deca. That is simply not true. You can do Deca only cycles and not have deca dick!!!

would you want to take that chance? Personally, I like having a sex drive, but I dont know about you. The risk isnt worth a few lbs of muscle IMO

[Knight1811]

would you want to take that chance? Personally, I like having a sex drive, but I dont know about you. The risk isnt worth a few lbs of muscle IMO

So perhaps...accelerated male pattern baldness (if predisposed) and enlarged prostate is better than losing sex drive? Hmmmm..."Alex, I'll take loss of sex drive and some cabergoline (and b6) and/or viagra for $500, please."

We can debate this until the cows come home.....risk to benefit over either compounds. All I am saying is deca dick is NOT a sure thing. Some get it some don't. That's all. I'm not trying to be a wiseAS$. Just clearing up a point.

As for taking chances...I think it comes inherient with gear. From the moment you hook up with the source to the moment you have it shipped, domestic or international, to the moment you recieve it (pray it's not a controlled delivery) and the moment you administer it (hoping it's not fake or underdose)...to the moment you realize you don't interact well with it. It's a learning experience...and hopefully we are getting as much information as possible before undergoing the learning experience to minimize the negatives and to weigh the risk(s) to benefit(s).

[fballhoss51]

ran a 10 wk cycle of deca and never got deca dick or loss of sex drive, jus got real depressed tha INTIRE time

[wolfyEVH]

check out hookers deca profile......1 shot makes test virtually zero......why would you want to be a woman????

[The Baron]

MOST users will indeed get deca dick running deca without test. If there are exceptions, and some posters on this forum claim to be, I have not met and verified this in person. I DO know that out of two guys I personally know that have done deca without test, both had serious probs. I also know that I would never do this myself. Deca only? Maybe a chick, yeah, but not a man. Even if there are some exceptions, it is still sound advice.

BTW, deca dick is really only a symptom of the real problem... zero testosterone . Low or nonexixtent test can mess up your head, mess up your attitude, mess up your training, and just in general mess you up. If a limp willy were the only problem encountered by deca users without test, it would be much more common to see knowledgeable folks doing this.

[greenpathy]

i ran just deca for 10 weeks,, qv at 400 mg per every 5 days,,,although my sex drive was cut SOME,,whenever i had to put out (sexually) i could always rise to the occasion very easily,,i put on 11 soild lbs,,,and as far as my gains,,,i've been off almost 30 days and i have kept everything including strengh..and size,,,..my nuts are back to normal size and everything is cool,,,the ONLY reason i ran deca only was b/c i wanted to keep as much as possible after my cycle...
rob

[wolfyEVH]

i ran just deca for 10 weeks,, qv at 400 mg per every 5 days,,,although my sex drive was cut SOME,,whenever i had to put out (sexually) i could always rise to the occasion very easily,,i put on 11 soild lbs,,,and as far as my gains,,,i've been off almost 30 days and i have kept everything including strengh..and size,,,..my nuts are back to normal size and everything is cool,,,the ONLY reason i ran deca only was b/c i wanted to keep as much as possible after my cycle...
rob

ummm......ok....

[RA]

Deca dick is real and it sucks. You can beat the thing like a cheatin whore but you wont get anything out of it. You want to take the chance? Go ahead but there is a lot of experienced ppl on here that would say not to.

[Knight1811]

MOST users will indeed get deca dick running deca without test. If there are exceptions, and some posters on this forum claim to be, I have not met and verified this in person. I DO know that out of two guys I personally know that have done deca without test, both had serious probs. I also know that I would never do this myself. Deca only? Maybe a chick, yeah, but not a man. Even if there are some exceptions, it is still sound advice.

BTW, deca dick is really only a symptom of the real problem... zero testosterone. Low or nonexixtent test can mess up your head, mess up your attitude, mess up your training, and just in general mess you up. If a limp willy were the only problem encountered by deca users without test, it would be much more common to see knowledgeable folks doing this.

MOST users? I'll tell you what...goto some other forums and introduce your "most user will indeed get deca dick" and see if you last half a second! If you have problems finding other sites...do a search a person named DECAMAN. If you can't find him, i'll gladly PM you the website. I'm sure he will be glad to talk to you and your "most users get decadick" and how you have not met and verified in person any that didn't get decadick.

As for messing your attitude and training and generally mess a person up....read a couple books on the use of Nandralone in the AIDS community....If you want I can cite you at least four studies done with Nandralone ONLY and the AIDS community and the studies show they had an enormous increase in quality of life.

Or maybe, you want someone more in the field of AAS's cutting edge...how about Author L. Rea. His recommendation for the first time user is a DECA ONLY cycle. Then he follows up with a DECA and Dbol cycle!!!! Is that not good enough...but I guess your boundless research and personal interactions and your reading of Anabloic Review (a great source of information by the way) leads you to declare the "MOST users will get deca dick." Right?

Again, sure deca dick is real...I never contested that...however it is NOT as rampant and ubiquitous and you declare.

Knight1811

[Knight1811]

i ran just deca for 10 weeks,, qv at 400 mg per every 5 days,,,although my sex drive was cut SOME,,whenever i had to put out (sexually) i could always rise to the occasion very easily,,i put on 11 soild lbs,,,and as far as my gains,,,i've been off almost 30 days and i have kept everything including strengh..and size,,,..my nuts are back to normal size and everything is cool,,,the ONLY reason i ran deca only was b/c i wanted to keep as much as possible after my cycle...
rob

I guess your personal experience doesn't count (insert sarcasm). Because it goes against the grain of "Deca Only is very bad."

[greenpathy]

when i 1st started my cycle,, i was only 1 shot into it,,when i decided to pm BUFF,, i told him i wanted some advice about me doing a deca only cycle...he told me it was PROBALLY not a good idea,, BUT he also said there are several people that DO deca only with good results,, so i took his advise and kept shooting...it could have gone either way,, i happen to be a good canidate for deca only,,, this stuff does not bother me whatsoever...why is that soo hard for people to belive?? everyone is different,, theres no doubt about it...it's all about finding what works well and trying other stuff to see if it works better...
rob

[G-1000]

this thread is a wast of time. bro if you wont to run deca with out test go and do it. there is more to it other then deca dick. test is in the male body to help mucle groth. when you come off the deca and have noi test in your body you will loos 90% of all your gains. the funny thing is that you will have a limp di-ck no muscle gain and will cry like a bitch when ever life time t.v is on.

good luck i wish you well you will need it.

[greenpathy]

it's funny how all the profiles on deca say the ablity to keep your gains is an (8),, while test is no higher than a (3)...explain that
rob

[ain't scared]

bump

[Knight1811]

it's funny how all the profiles on deca say the ablity to keep your gains is an (8),, while test is no higher than a (3)...explain that
rob

Greenpathy, Great point!!! Bullseye!!!! BRAVO!!! I couldn't have said it better myself.

Knight1811

[j.r.w.]

this thread is a wast of time. bro if you wont to run deca with out test go and do it. there is more to it other then deca dick. test is in the male body to help mucle groth. when you come off the deca and have noi test in your body you will loos 90% of all your gains. the funny thing is that you will have a limp di-ck no muscle gain and will cry like a bitch when ever life time t.v is on.

good luck i wish you well you will need it.

Amen brother!!!

[j.r.w.]

it's funny how all the profiles on deca say the ablity to keep your gains is an (8),, while test is no higher than a (3)...explain that
rob

I think the reason is because deca does actually build a greater quality of muscle than test (water retention). And you would keep more of your gains from deca if you could get your test levels back to normal instantly. Thats where the problem is. If it is in fact true that deca shuts you down HARD, and from experience I agree it does, then think about it....need I say any more?

[greenpathy]

i agree somewhat,, it does shut you down,, but it just simply can not shut you down soo hard that the ablity to keep your gains could not stay as high as they suggest...
rob