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Thread: Var vs T-bol
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05-19-2005, 10:24 AM #1
Var vs T-bol
Ive just searched a bunch of threads on Tbols and am getting alot of comparisons w/ Var. Can somebody explain this to me since all ive been hearing is that Tbol is a less toxic Dbol . heres what ive learned...
tell me if im wrong
T-bol
Obviously much cheaper (unless you have powder, which i do)
Easier on body then dbol but basically same results
no water retention
We all know what Var does so i wont post it BUT the I just want to clarify one thing... the main "significant" difference between them is ---keeping your gains. T-bol is great, but if it acts anything like dbol your right where you started after your cyc is over...
let me know if im on the right track fellas....
thanks
HH
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05-19-2005, 10:30 AM #2
I know nothing about either one as far as experience goes, but I have researched both a lot. Most of the stuff I have found seem to say T-bol works sortof like a cross between Dbol and Var. More mass than Var, less than Dbol, but also very few or at least weaker sides similar to Var. So can gain some mass, but also stay cut well. Also read somewhere that while Var lowers libido, T-bol raises it. Not sure if this helps any, I'm sure you've already found this much, but hope it can at least reassure you on whatever you are needing it for. I can try to find some of those threads if you want them.
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05-19-2005, 11:18 AM #3Originally Posted by Cmore
yeah thats basically what ive been reading!! I think the libido affect is very strong for the Tbol as compared to Var, But... do you know anything on if you keep your gains w/ tbol. I think thats most important!! thanks
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05-19-2005, 11:27 AM #4
From what I have read or found, it seems Tbol is very similar in Var for keeping gains. Both give you less mass and size, etc... And are very little if any water weight, so they both seem to be relatively easy to maintain and keep (compared to other aas). If you check the steroid effectiveness chart on the mainpage of steroid.com Tbol gets 3 *'s out of 5 on keeping gains while Var gets 2. The chart is supposed to be reported by viewers or something, but not sure how out of date it is. Everywhere else I have read that both are very good for keeping gains.
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05-19-2005, 11:44 AM #5Senior Member
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would tbol have the same effect as far as testosterone shutdown? I know using var alone you only shut down test production a fraction, and using tribulus will keep it in check.
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05-19-2005, 12:42 PM #6
keeping the gains
Originally Posted by Cmore
Theres a study by someone I followed a while back where a guy used TBol and was doing a diary, Im not sure how he got on because I think the diary ended up ending early.
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05-19-2005, 01:10 PM #7
I was reading a post over at EF when i was searching this information on the net as well, someone posted that still after 6 months he kept about 90% of his gains, also he said he did no PCT work at all, his blood levels all went back to normal on their own after 2 weeks. He also stated that he is getting ready for his next cycle, and he was going to do 4 weeks t-bol and 2 weeks of var to see the effects of that cycle, he also said he gained 11lbs of muscle. He swears by T-Bol and says he can not wait to see how the next cyc plays out with the 2 weeks of var. Oh i almost forgot he was using
PaperTurin 10mg Squares Chemical Name: Chlordehydromethyl-Testosterone (AKA: Oral Turanabol; OT)Last edited by PrimoPup; 05-19-2005 at 01:19 PM.
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05-19-2005, 01:41 PM #8Originally Posted by dazbo
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05-19-2005, 02:47 PM #9Banned
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"On a scale of 1 to 100 the androgenic effect is very low -only a 6- and the anabolic effect is 53. (In comparison: the androgenic effect of Dianabol is 45 and its anabolic effect is 90.) Oral-Turinabol thus has milligram for milli-gram a lower effect than Dianabol."
-From A-R Steroid Profiles
...We are looking at a stronger, cheaper, slightly different version of oxandrolone. I just ordered some yesterday.
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05-19-2005, 03:03 PM #10Originally Posted by TheMindOfRoss
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05-19-2005, 03:21 PM #11Banned
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well
There are several threads indicating that gains are as maintainable as anavar gains. There are actually 3 active T-bol threads right now. This would make sense, as it does NOT aromatize, does not convert to DHT, and has(for that reason alone) therefore less of an impact on HPTA. It also does not bind well to the A-R, another reason it is light on the HPTA.
Typically, gains will be less with a mild compound liike T-bol, primo, or var, but gains are(at least in people's experiences) easier to maintain--and of course not water.
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05-19-2005, 04:12 PM #12
I have run both and the only differance I see between the 2 is tbol is alittle stronger. I noticed everything same as far as keeping gains, sides and such. I think tbol is the best oral at there.
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05-19-2005, 05:14 PM #13
Yes i agree, not from experience though just from what i have been reading. I was leaving the darkside, note WAS, but as soon as this ole fat azz flabby body gets his wind back, well use your imagination on the rest. As they said In the movie a Fish Called Wanda....
"HELLO WANDA"
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05-19-2005, 05:45 PM #14Originally Posted by PrimoPup
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05-19-2005, 05:48 PM #15Originally Posted by rawhide
Last edited by Nicky B; 05-25-2005 at 02:10 PM.
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05-19-2005, 06:51 PM #16
heres an OT diary,
it seems as though he was able to keep most gains and overall his cycle was a success
http://www.***********.com/t1721-ora...bol-diary.html
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05-19-2005, 06:53 PM #17
oh well
guess i cant share that w/ everyone
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05-19-2005, 07:09 PM #18
put a space between each letter for the words between the www and the .com
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05-25-2005, 12:01 PM #19
I gotta bump this.......
Can we get a MOD or VET's opinion. thanks
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05-25-2005, 01:18 PM #20Originally Posted by HeavyHitter
thanks
HH
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05-25-2005, 02:55 PM #21Junior Member
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i found some interesting information today about OT
apparently:
Dosages over 20mg/day lead to HPTA supression
htpa supression will occur with only 20mg/day, but 5 days after discontinued use, htpa will be back to normal range - even higher than normal range.
This was translated from German:
The income of 20 mg OT/Tag leads already after 10 days to a suppression of the endogenous Testosteronproduktion, which normalized themselves however already 5 days after termination of the income again and in the future even still continue to rise.
a lot of interesting/scary info can be found if you google: eastgermany.pdf
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05-25-2005, 04:56 PM #22Obviously much cheaper (unless you have powder, which i do)
The income of 20 mg OT/Tag leads already after 10 days to a suppression of the endogenous Testosteronproduktion, which normalized themselves however already 5 days after termination of the income again and in the future even still continue to rise.
Oh yesh - and I find tbol gains very keepable (same as var)
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08-15-2005, 06:08 AM #23
I wonder what sort of results one would get if tbol was cycled at 20mg per day for 10 days, followed by 10 days off, then another 10 days on etc.?
This would be an interesting experiment. Over a period of several months of this sort of cycling, an athlete such as a sprinter who is looking for an increase in strength but not mass could be expected to make some decent gains.
Comments?
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08-15-2005, 06:22 AM #24
Read this!!!!!!
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=172185
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