tbol vs anavar

[kfont12]

I can get 1000mg of anavar or 1000mg of tbol for the same price from a friend. have done anavar once before but never done tbol. which is better for lean mass and cutting? which should i choose?

[G-1000]

for lean muscle var is muck better and will keep better gains. you are going to run test with that right

[james21]

Well 1gram of either isn't going to get you that far

[james21]

Ohh but definately var for cutting/lean mass

[kfont12]

No i know just stating that prices were equal wanna know what i'll run with it. here is my rough draft, remeber this is my rough draft only but i have the gear.
weeks1-4 20-30mg dbol ed
weeks 1-6 750mg testoviron week
weeks 1-10 400mg tren enanthate week
week 7 250mg testoviron week
weeks 7-12 250mg sust eod
weeks 5-10 75mg winny ed
weeks 8-12 60mg anvr ed
then of course my pct and arimidex throughout

[G-1000]

how in the worls did you come up with this sh-it.

1-4 30mg d-bol
1-16 test 500mg week
1-10 tren 400mg week
11-18 var 60mg day

then start pct

[Nicky B]

If you are paying the for tbol as var then you are probably getting ripped off. I would use the tbol.

[kfont12]

My source said he recommends the tbol instead of anavar bc "TBol is
combining the best of both worlds, Anavar and Dbol . You get the
strength and vascularity without the bloat for cheaper."

[G-1000]

i like var because it does nolt have meny sides.

[kfont12]

If you are paying the for tbol as var then you are probably getting ripped off. I would use the tbol.

so would you be suspicious if you were getting 50 20mg var caps for $80 usually sold for around 100

[Nicky B]

so would you be suspicious if you were getting 50 20mg var caps for $80 usually sold for around 100

Well I'm not talking about wether they are fake or not that is up to you. But that is an okay price for the var but if you pay that for the tbol too then that is alittle overpriced as far as the tbol is concerned.

[TheMindOfRoss]

Oral Turinabol is very new to the US. It was developed in East Germany and used in the Olympics successfully for years. Women swimmers have reportedly taken up to 20mgs ED. T-bol is more anabolic than anavar , yet only very slightly more androgenic .

Var is more expensive only because Oxandrolone is expensive chemical

[Duke of Earl]

Hmmm I like both, but for sheer mass I find Tbol better, but for vascularity & hardness I find Var better - the funny thing for me is that I feel better on Tbol than Var - var makes me feel a bit sh!tty.

[TheMindOfRoss]

Hey EARL....what kind of mass did u gain from tbol? I have some on the way...

[G-1000]

var was developed for people with adis. it was mad to be safe to take for a long time with little sides. it helps build lean muscle even if you dont work out.

[kfont12]

ross, Can you breilfy explain the diff between anabolic and androgenic ?

[KINGKONG]

var and test...those my niggas

[G-1000]

Mmm...what can possibly shrink your family jewels but enhance your
physique and make those of the fairer sex turn their heads to check out your
glutes?

Androgens, steroids , anabolic steroids, or anabolic-androgenic steroids. A rose
by any other name.....you know the rest! All the above terms refer basically to
the same compound. Perhaps you know them best as "roids", "juice", "gear"
or some other pet name that only you and the needle know.

First of all, what is a steroid ? All steroid hormones are derived from
cholesterol? Yeah, big bad cholesterol, contributor to the number one cause of
death in the U.S. But we all need cholesterol for LIFE and of course, for steroid
synthesis. If you were to look at the molecular structure of cholesterol and all
of the hormones derived from it, you would see how structurally similar all
steroids are. In fact, if you looked at the structure of testosterone (the male sex
hormone) vs. estradiol (the female sex hormone), you'd be shocked to see how
similar they are! Without getting into any intense biochemistry, all it takes is
one chemical step via an aromatase enzyme to convert muscle-building
testosterone into fat-depositing estradiol.

The word steroid, does not differentiate between the female sex steroids
(collectively called estrogens) and the male sex steroids (collectively called
androgens). So if someone comes up to you at the gym asking if you've used
steroids, just let them know that you leave the birth control medications in
the hands of your significant other. (They'll likely leave with a dazed and
confused look...)

ANDROGENS. If you look up the word androgen in any medical dictionary
you will see that it is typically defined as "a substance which produces or
stimulates the development of male characteristics." Testosterone, is the most
important androgen, and its effects have been divided into what are referred to
as anabolic and androgenic effects. Anabolic effects refer to the stimulation of
skeletal muscle mass growth in adult humans while the androgenic effects are
those which "masculinize" (i.e. put hair on your chest, so to speak)

Now way back when, someone had a brilliant idea. Let's separate the anabolic
from the androgenic effects. I mean who needs extra hair on their backs and
knuckles anyways. Let's make these steroids purely anabolic (hence, the term
anabolic steroids ). Well, it was a nice idea, but it has not been shown that you
can completely separate these two characteristics. All androgens have both
anabolic AND androgenic effects. In fact, all of these androgens interact with
the SAME RECEPTOR sites in skeletal muscle.

Anabolic vs. Androgenic Properties

Like I said before, it is impossible to completely separate the androgenic
(masculinizing) and anabolic (muscle-building) effects of androgens. The way
scientists examine an androgen's anabolic vs. androgenic properties is to
compare the growth response of the prostate vs. that of the levator ani muscle
when an animal is treated with an androgen. For example, when you
compare straight testosterone vs. the nandrolones (ex. Deca -Durabolin ), you'll
see that the nandrolones have 80% less of an effect on the prostate but had
240% greater anabolic effects on skeletal muscle!! Could this be why so many
bodybuilders love Deca?

So yes, there are certain androgens which have different anabolic and
androgenic properties, but suffice it to say that they all have both.

Androgen Receptor Saturation

And what about the notion that circulating levels of androgens at
concentrations normally found in healthy, adult males is enough to saturate
the androgen receptor? Remember the androgen receptor is located within
muscle cells and the receptor binds to the androgen presented to the cell. The
androgen acts as kind of a key and the receptor is the lock to a biological door.
When that door is opened, it results in a myriad of biological processes, among
which include MUSCLE GROWTH! Not all androgens will have equal effects
on muscle EVEN THOUGH they all bind to the same receptor. It's like having
many keys that open the same door, but certain keys just work better than
others!

So if the normal amount of circulating androgen is enough to saturate the
androgen receptor (i.e., there are enough keys [hormone] to fit every lock
[receptor]), then how can taking extra exogenous androgen produce a greater
anabolic effect? The idea that taking extra androgen down-regulates (i.e.,
decreases the level of androgen receptor protein) the androgen receptor is
accepted by many scientists and has been popularized by many writers in the
bodybuilding community. There is however one problem with this idea.
There is evidence that the opposite may occur!

See if you can follow this. If taking extra androgen, down-regulates the
receptor, then removal of all androgen, should up-regulate (i.e., increase the
level) the receptor. Well, guess what? That doesn't happen! In fact, if you
remove all androgen. And the way we do this, at least in animals, is to castrate
them, you know cut off the testes. In certain muscles, this causes a
DOWN-REGULATION of the receptor while in others no change occurs.
Furthermore, the re-administration of androgen UP-REGULATES the receptor
in certain muscles.

So it is possible, though not yet definitively shown, that taking high doses of
androgens may actually up-regulate the androgen receptor. This may explain
why modern bodybuilders grow to the monstrous sizes that they do. It's as if
they are making their muscles more sensitive to effects of androgen!

Bottom Line

The compounds athletes take (to build muscle) are typically called anabolic
steroids. All of these hormones have both anabolic and androgenic effects.
And all anabolic steroids are androgens. If have read in numerous articles
how some writers refer to testosterone as an androgen, but something like
nandrolone decanoate (Deca-Durabolin) is not an androgen, but an anabolic
steroid. Sorry, but they're wrong. I don't care if you take oxandrolone
(Anavar ), nandrolone decanoate (Deca-Durabolin), stanozolol (Winstrol ),
oxymethelone (Anadrol ), or the other hundred or so steroids derived from
testosterone. THEY ARE ALL ANDROGENS!

BTW, androgens or "roids" do cause your testes to shrink (not your penis,
although many in the gym crowd believe so), but it is *usually* a temporary
side effect. Once you've cycled off the stuff, your testes *should* resume their
normal size.

[Nicky B]

Geez thats alot to type.

[G-1000]

cut and past works ever time. it was a good read that i found the other day.

[Nicky B]

Yes it is a good read.

[kfont12]

GSXXR- thanks for the info. I have been reading your posts alot lately. you really know your SHI*. thanks again

[nolaboy43]

tbol should be way cheaper...but no b/c it is a weaker AS. I'd rather pay less and have a better AS..so go with Tbol. Good gains, vascularity, no bloat...and tons of strength. TBOL rocks!!!

[kfont12]

NOLABoy pm me bro

[randy6969]

whats the full name for t-bol....??

[KINGKONG]

whats the full name for t-bol....??

oral turnabol

[Duke of Earl]

whats the full name for t-bol....??

oral turnabol

nope - oral turinabol (aka. chlordehydromethyltestosterone)

[KINGKONG]

nope - oral turinabol (aka. chlordehydromethyltestosterone)

got the anabolics out do we....I was close enough,Iam not the best at spelling esp with substances that I will never use...Thank god somebody knows how to spell

[Duke of Earl]

got the anabolics out do we....I was close enough,Iam not the best at spelling esp with substances that I will never use...Thank god somebody knows how to spell

nah - am a biochemist - I wasn't trying to be a dick - it's just that with AAS spelling can make the difference between having a liver or not (eg. try getting 320mg ED of Andriol / Anadrol wrong).....turnabol, trenabol etc.....no offence meant

[PrimoPup]

whats the full name for t-bol....??

Pharmaceutical Name: Turanabol

Chemical name: Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone

Chem. Abstr. Name:
4-chloro-17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrosta-1,4-dien-3-on3

Molecular Formula:

Molecular Weight:

Product Description:
Turanabol is an oral steroid which was developed during the early 1960's. It has a predominantly anabolic effect which is combined with a relatively low androgenic component. On a scale of 1 to 100 the androgenic effect is very low - only 6 - and the anabolic effect is 53. (In comparison: the androgenic effect of methandienone is 45 and its anabolic effect is 90.) Turanabol is recommended in wasting diseases and HIV symptoms since it does not aromatize.

[Josey Wales]

t-bol should be at least half the price of var.

[KINGKONG]

nah - am a biochemist - I wasn't trying to be a dick - it's just that with AAS spelling can make the difference between having a liver or not (eg. try getting 320mg ED of Andriol / Anadrol wrong).....turnabol, trenabol etc.....no offence meant

No offence taken...I was throwing that name out of my a$$ but it was still pretty close

[Duke of Earl]

Primo pup

Pharmaceutical Name: Turanabol

no - this is the trade-name for BD oral turinabol

[Property of Steroid.com]

Pharmaceutical Name: Turanabol

Chemical name: Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone

Chem. Abstr. Name:
4-chloro-17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrosta-1,4-dien-3-on3

Molecular Formula:

Molecular Weight:

Product Description:
Turanabol is an oral steroid which was developed during the early 1960's. It has a predominantly anabolic effect which is combined with a relatively low androgenic component. On a scale of 1 to 100 the androgenic effect is very low - only 6 - and the anabolic effect is 53. (In comparison: the androgenic effect of methandienone is 45 and its anabolic effect is 90.) Turanabol is recommended in wasting diseases and HIV symptoms since it does not aromatize.

Actually this is wrong too!

Remember, the anabolic:androgenic ratio is not a scale of 1-100, but rather a scale using 100 as the score for testosterone (ergo it goes from 0-infinity, not 1-100). Tren has a 500 rating for both, so of course, the scale doesn't actually "go" to 100, but rather, uses it as an arbitrary reference.

[Nicky B]

Actually this is wrong too!

Remember, the anabolic:androgenic ratio is not a scale of 1-100, but rather a scale using 100 as the score for testosterone (ergo it goes from 0-infinity, not 1-100). Tren has a 500 rating for both, so of course, the scale doesn't actually "go" to 100, but rather, uses it as an arbitrary reference.

Don't get it hook

[Property of Steroid.com]

The anabolic :androgenic scale is not from 0-100 as it says in that post. It just used 100 as the rating for testosterone ...it can easily go over that number. It's from 0-infinity, not 0-100.

[Nicky B]

The anabolic:androgenic scale is not from 0-100 as it says in that post. It just used 100 as the rating for testosterone...it can easily go over that number. It's from 0-infinity, not 0-100.

OHH thanks I get it thanks HOOK.

[Property of Steroid.com]

Here's a profile on OT:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...34#post1836934

All of the information is directl from the East German Sports Doping Archives....we're just trying to get the pics to load...

[MrBigSh!T]

Is there any sides to t-bol? Do you guys know if you could use finas with it to stop any hair loss that may occur?
Thanks guys

[Duke of Earl]

Do you guys know if you could use finas with it to stop any hair loss that may occur?

finasteride would be useless against tbol induced hairloss as tbol doesn't convert to DHT via 5AR (the enzyme finast blocks)