here's my first real cycle

**hulkzer** · 05-23-2005, 02:53 PM

First off I got some kind of sickness about 2yrs ago and didn't really think anything was wrong. Just thought I was tired. Found out that i wasn't digesting my food properly. So I had no energy and couldn't sleep. Before I researched this site I cycled twice and did two 4wk pro hormone cycles. All while I thought I was ok. Never really gained anything except the sides. Now I’m good to go. I worked out the whole time I was sick but now I dropped bf and gained muscle naturally. Current stats 192, 5'11", 25yrs, bf15-17% ? My diet and workouts are in check.

previous cycle exp

1st cycle
deca 300mg wk1-10
no pct

2nd cycle
sos 500mg wk1-8
no pct
ya i know my last cycles sucked

Here is what I got lined up.
t4 100mg eod wk 1-4 (t400 because can't get any prop

)
test-e 400mg wk 5-14
bold 500mg wk 1-12
trib 2g's wk 14-16
trib 4g's wk17-till end of pct
pheendo's pct starting wk16

will keep nolva and armidex on hand
i know everyone will say to keep test higher than bold, but this is what i want to try.
thx in advance
zer_

**BigPancho** · 05-23-2005, 03:01 PM

I've not really messed with Susp, so can't comment on that vs. Prop. But I'd start your Test-E right off the bat. With how you've got it set up, you won't start noticing any real effects from it until Wk 12 or so, which is a waste IMO. Start it at the first of your cycle & you'll like it better.

As far as the Susp, I'll let those with more experience with it answer.

BigPancho

**hulkzer** · 05-23-2005, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by BigPancho

I've not really messed with Susp, so can't comment on that vs. Prop. But I'd start your Test-E right off the bat. With how you've got it set up, you won't start noticing any real effects from it until Wk 12 or so, which is a waste IMO. Start it at the first of your cycle & you'll like it better.

As far as the Susp, I'll let those with more experience with it answer.

BigPancho

not sure were you see "susp"

**stocky121** · 05-23-2005, 03:28 PM

i thought test400 was all long acting ester's

**hulkzer** · 05-23-2005, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by stocky121

i thought test400 was all long acting ester's

there's some prop in the mix

**BigPancho** · 05-23-2005, 03:40 PM

My bad. You're correct on that. Dunno what in the he11 I was thinkin' about.....LOL

I'd still be wantin' the T-400 EOD, for a kickstart due to the short esters in it, but would still start the Test-E at the beginning.

Sorry 'bout the screwup. I've got a 4 year old here houndin' the he11 outta me, so it's a miracle I can even type....LOL

Ok, everyone laugh

BigPancho

**taiboxa** · 05-23-2005, 03:48 PM

thats going to be jackd dood
all those long esters in beggining kinda stacking w/ very lil short esters to do squat drop the mix and throw some dbol or FIND some prop or something.

**hulkzer** · 05-23-2005, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by BigPancho

My bad. You're correct on that. Dunno what in the he11 I was thinkin' about.....LOL

I'd still be wantin' the T-400 EOD, for a kickstart due to the short esters in it, but would still start the Test-E at the beginning.

Sorry 'bout the screwup. I've got a 4 year old here houndin' the he11 outta me, so it's a miracle I can even type....LOL

Ok, everyone laugh

BigPancho

it has 188mgs of test enanth, 187mgs of test cyp and 25mgs of test prop. i think that 187.5mg's of cyp/enanth eod should do as far as the long ester test go's. thx thoe

**taiboxa** · 05-23-2005, 03:51 PM

lol 25mg prop .. wow
DONT WASTE YOUR TIME

**hulkzer** · 05-23-2005, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

lol 25mg prop .. wow
DONT WASTE YOUR TIME

don't see how its a waste still getting about 350mg's wk of cyp/enth and a little bit of prop.

i know the prop should be run a lot higher but its what i got. i also have some power animal dbol and hmgear 4ad. should i throw one in for a front load.
thx

**taiboxa** · 05-23-2005, 04:17 PM

aww ok i thought you were running test E from 1-15 and using t400 to frontload
and i was thinking wow .. 100mg Prop a wk

**hulkzer** · 05-23-2005, 04:19 PM

any one ever use 4ad to front load a test cycle. i just hate the way dbol makes feel

**Jantzen4k** · 05-23-2005, 04:26 PM

goodluck on your cycle bro!

**Mighty Joe** · 05-23-2005, 05:15 PM

Keep us posted brutha!

**hulkzer** · 05-23-2005, 07:22 PM

for more input
thx to all that replyed

**hulkzer** · 05-24-2005, 06:38 AM

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for more input
thx to all that replyed[/QUOTE

**hulkzer** · 05-24-2005, 07:12 PM

**hulkzer** · 05-25-2005, 07:49 AM

last bump

**taiboxa** · 05-25-2005, 08:56 AM

why bump i thought the cycle was resolved =/

**hulkzer** · 05-25-2005, 10:10 AM

Bump for the ? On if I can frontload useing 4ad instead of dbol on top of the t4? Or is the dbol way better, have both.
Thx

**hulkzer** · 05-25-2005, 08:29 PM

bump for ant_8u

**ant_8u** · 05-25-2005, 09:03 PM

cycle looks good to me bro.
Confused me abit with the T400 at the start and the Test Enth not starting until week 5

You've got the Test running longer than the Eq which is correct

So is the time between your last injection of Test and your PCT starting

Not too sure how long you should leave Eq before starting PCT

I'm gonna look now for you - you may be able to lower your Eq dosage slightly (to get it nearer you Test dosage) and run it a little longer

As i said i'm not too sure on that, but i'll check now for you bro

**ant_8u** · 05-25-2005, 09:28 PM

Ok
You need to have 2 weeks between your last Test shot and the start of your PCT
and 3 weeks between you Eq and PCT

You're currently running your Test for 2 weeks longer than your Eq, but you should only be running it for 1 week longer

So you can run your Eq for another week (which means you can also lower the dosage used)

At the moment you are using 500mg Eq for 12 weeks = 6,000mg
If you run it at 400mg and for 13 weeks you'd be using 5,200mg

This will save you 800mg of Eq for your next cycle

It will also bring your Eq level nearer to your Test dosage

You are currently using Test Enth for 10 weeks @ 400mg per week = 4,000mg
If you can boost this up to 500mg per week you'll be using 5,000mg

This means you'll need another 1,000mg of Test Enth, which is only another 4 vials!

Buying another 4 vials of Test would be pretty cheap

OR
Remember you've now got 800mg of Eq lying about

Perhaps your source would trade them for you?

Personally i think running the Eq at 400mg per week for 13 weeks is a better choice than 500mg per week for 12 weeks

You can then make sure you Test is higher than your Eq

And there is then 14 days between your last TEST shot and the start of your PCT
And there is then 21 days between you last EQ shot and the start of your PCT

This should see you make better gains

Hope this helps bro

**hulkzer** · 05-26-2005, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by ant_8u

Ok
You need to have 2 weeks between your last Test shot and the start of your PCT
and 3 weeks between you Eq and PCT

You're currently running your Test for 2 weeks longer than your Eq, but you should only be running it for 1 week longer

So you can run your Eq for another week (which means you can also lower the dosage used)

At the moment you are using 500mg Eq for 12 weeks = 6,000mg
If you run it at 400mg and for 13 weeks you'd be using 5,200mg

This will save you 800mg of Eq for your next cycle

It will also bring your Eq level nearer to your Test dosage

You are currently using Test Enth for 10 weeks @ 400mg per week = 4,000mg
If you can boost this up to 500mg per week you'll be using 5,000mg

This means you'll need another 1,000mg of Test Enth, which is only another 4 vials!

Buying another 4 vials of Test would be pretty cheap

OR
Remember you've now got 800mg of Eq lying about

Perhaps your source would trade them for you?

Personally i think running the Eq at 400mg per week for 13 weeks is a better choice than 500mg per week for 12 weeks

You can then make sure you Test is higher than your Eq

And there is then 14 days between your last TEST shot and the start of your PCT
And there is then 21 days between you last EQ shot and the start of your PCT

This should see you make better gains

Hope this helps bro

thx for the help. i'll see if i can some more test. have u ran this cycle befor if so what results did you get. i'm trying to hit 205-210 with this cycle.
zer_

**ant_8u** · 05-26-2005, 10:13 AM

I don't think you should have any problems hitting 210lbs on that cycle

I haven't run that kind of cycle yet,

Might do a similar one for my next cycle.

I've written a post in the last day or two called "my stats, cycle, and diet"

It's got details of everything i plan to do for my course

Think it's got some info on there which you may find useful

**hulkzer** · 05-26-2005, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by hulkzer

Here is what I got lined up.
t4 100mg eod wk 1-4 (t400 because can't get any prop

)
test-e 400mg wk 5-14
bold 500mg wk 1-12
trib 2g's wk 14-16
trib 4g's wk17-till end of pct
pheendo's pct starting wk16

will keep nolva and armidex on hand
i know everyone will say to keep test higher than bold, but this is what i want to try.
thx in advance
zer_

diceded to change some stuff around. here's the new plan. a little sick now so will start in two wks.
t4 150mg eod wk 1-4 (total of 525mg's a wk)
test-e 500mg wk 5-13.5
bold 400mg wk 1-12
40mg's 4ad wk 1-3
injectable b12 500mg ed wk now to end of pct
.25 l-dex ed wk 1-15
trib 2g's wk 14-16
trib 4g's wk17till end of pct
pheendo's pct starting 14days after last test shot

thx in advance

**ant_8u** · 05-26-2005, 08:01 PM

b12 should be 500mcg not 500mg

I copied the next paragraph from a post by Bryan2

".......oral 4ad is really useless becuase you only absorb 5% of what you eat and out of that 5% only 15% of that turns into test.

so every 100mgs 4ad you eat you get .75 of 1mg so 100mgs oral 4ad doesnt even give you 1mg of test!!!

If you have enough Id go with 2000mgs ed to give you 15mgs of testosterone in your body this wont do much for building muscle but it will minimize some sides although not much.........."

Your cycle looks much better now bro
Just skip the 4AD

Keep us posted on your results when you start

**hulkzer** · 05-26-2005, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by ant_8u

b12 should be 500mcg not 500mg

I copied the next paragraph from a post by Bryan2

".......oral 4ad is really useless becuase you only absorb 5% of what you eat and out of that 5% only 15% of that turns into test.

so every 100mgs 4ad you eat you get .75 of 1mg so 100mgs oral 4ad doesnt even give you 1mg of test!!!

If you have enough Id go with 2000mgs ed to give you 15mgs of testosterone in your body this wont do much for building muscle but it will minimize some sides although not much.........."

Your cycle looks much better now bro
Just skip the 4AD

Keep us posted on your results when you start

ya i ment mcg. changed out the 4ad to dbol , but as far as 4ad gos i got mad strenghth on that stuff at like 90mg's ed. oh well.

t4 150mg eod wk 1-4 (total of 525mg's a wk)
test-e 500mg wk 5-13.5
bold 400mg wk 1-12
dbol 30mg ed wk 1-4
injectable b12 500mcg ed wk now to end of pct
.25 l-dex ed wk 1-15
trib 2g's wk 14-16
trib 4g's wk17till end of pct
pheendo's pct starting 14days after last test shot
just got my order from arr and everything is good and fast shippment
thx for all the help bro's