Finally done planned cycled.

Ok guys, this is from all i have read up on and got from you guys, now does it look ok.
LBM gains with some fat loss cycle:
Primobolan-500mg/wk 1-8 weeks
Test prop-100mg/eod 1-8 weeks
Anavar-40-50mg/ed 1-8 weeks
Armidex-.25mg/ed 1-11 weeks
Nolvadex-10mg/ed 1-11 weeks
Clomid-100mg/ed 1-11 weeks
Clenbuterol- >120mcg/ed 9-16weeks
Benedryl-50mg/ed weeks 11,14
Stats-145lbs, 26 yo about 10% bf, HX-2 past cycles
Diet-high protein (>1.5g/lb), low-mid fat (60g non lifting days, 75g lifting days), mid carbs (75g non lifting days, 135g lifting days).
Workout-Cardio in the Am before eating 4xweeks, weights in the PM 4xweek
Goals from cycle-close to 160lbs, 7%bf, and great overall strength.

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Originally Posted by go4gold

Ok guys, this is from all i have read up on and got from you guys, now does it look ok.
LBM gains with some fat loss cycle:
Primobolan-500mg/wk 1-8 weeks
Test prop-100mg/eod 1-8 weeks
Anavar-40-50mg/ed 1-8 weeks
Armidex-.25mg/ed 1-11 weeks
Nolvadex-10mg/ed 1-11 weeks
Clomid-100mg/ed 1-11 weeks
Clenbuterol- >120mcg/ed 9-16weeks
Benedryl-50mg/ed weeks 11,14
Stats-145lbs, 26 yo about 10% bf, HX-2 past cycles
Diet-high protein (>1.5g/lb), low-mid fat (60g non lifting days, 75g lifting days), mid carbs (75g non lifting days, 135g lifting days).
Workout-Cardio in the Am before eating 4xweeks, weights in the PM 4xweek
Goals from cycle-close to 160lbs, 7%bf, and great overall strength.

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how tall at 145lbs, and how much did you weigh before juice?

i have always been around 145lbs, when i did juice, got up to close to 180lbs, but was very bloated, was not what i was looking for at all, still some weight gain in my face from it. I am trying to keep the bloat down, don't need major gains, so trying a new approach. I am only 5' 6", so not that tall, if this cycle works well for me, may try again, only want to be like 170, should be plenty big if LBM and low fat at my height. Sholuld look close to the guy in my avatar at that weight( hopefully). Just let me know what you guys now think, please, any info much appreciated.

Not very keen on your cycle bro

Primobolan should be used for 12 weeks for full effect
Anavar should be run for the last 8 weeks of cycle before your PCT

You need to come off Primobolan 14 days before starting PCT (so PCT will start in week 15)
You need to come off Test prop 3 days before starting PCT (ie week 14)
I think you can finish Anavar and go straight onto your PCT (ie week 14)

Therefore:
Your PCT needs to start when you finish your Test Prop and Anavar
(Both of these finish at the same time)

You need to start your PCT 14 days after you finish your Primobolan

So:
You need to run your Primo for 12 weeks (for full effect)
and have 2 weeks off it before starting PCT

Prop should be run up until PCT (so in this case it will be 14 weeks)
Anavar should be run for 8 weeks but finish at the same time as Prop

Nolvadex and Liquidex should be run from start to finish

I'm not 100% on my knowledge of Prop and Primo (i think you need more Test then Primo per week)
but i think it would be better if you ran the cycle like this

Weeks 1-14 Test Prop 75-100mg ED
Weeks 1-12 Primobolan 400mg
Weeks 7-14 Anavar 40mg ED
Weeks 1-17 Nolvadex 10-20mg ED
Weeks 1-17 Liquidex 0.25mg ED
Weeks 15-17 Clomid

As i said i'm not 100% sure
Maybe someone else with more Prop & Primo knowledge could give you their opinion

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Originally Posted by ant_8u

Not very keen on your cycle bro

Primobolan should be used for 12 weeks for full effect
Anavar should be run for the last 8 weeks of cycle before your PCT

You need to come off Primobolan 14 days before starting PCT (so PCT will start in week 15)
You need to come off Test prop 3 days before starting PCT (ie week 14)
I think you can finish Anavar and go straight onto your PCT (ie week 14)

Therefore:
Your PCT needs to start when you finish your Test Prop and Anavar
(Both of these finish at the same time)

You need to start your PCT 14 days after you finish your Primobolan

So:
You need to run your Primo for 12 weeks (for full effect)
and have 2 weeks off it before starting PCT

Prop should be run up until PCT (so in this case it will be 14 weeks)
Anavar should be run for 8 weeks but finish at the same time as Prop

Nolvadex and Liquidex should be run from start to finish

I'm not 100% on my knowledge of Prop and Primo (i think you need more Test then Primo per week)
but i think it would be better if you ran the cycle like this

Weeks 1-14 Test Prop 75-100mg ED
Weeks 1-12 Primobolan 400mg
Weeks 7-14 Anavar 40mg ED
Weeks 1-17 Nolvadex 10-20mg ED
Weeks 1-17 Liquidex 0.25mg ED
Weeks 15-17 Clomid

As i said i'm not 100% sure
Maybe someone else with more Prop & Primo knowledge could give you their opinion

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I like that cycle much better but 14 weeks of ed injects on prop is a bitch.
You could use test e and if you use enough ldex or letro u shouldn't have any problems w/ test bloat.

Whilst my cycle does balance out in my head
There's no way in the world i'd fancy inject ED for 14 weeks!!
(pincushion)

I was thinking maybe Test Enth but was under the impression he's already bought the gear

When all is said and done Test is Test.
Just make sure you've got Liquidex for the bloat (i'm still looking into Letro)

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Originally Posted by MBaraso

I like that cycle much better but 14 weeks of ed injects on prop is a bitch.
You could use test e and if you use enough ldex or letro u shouldn't have any problems w/ test bloat.

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I have to agree, 14 weeks of ed injections, does have to suck. What can i do to shorten the cycle, don't want to be on gear for 14 weeks, thats just a long time, not sure what gain will be like from that long. I think i might gain to much weight to fast. How about this:
primo-400mg/wk 1-10
prop-100mg/eod 1-10
var-40mg/ed 3-10
clomid-11-13

I wouldn't run your Primo less than 10 weeks

You could try:

Weeks 1-12 Test Prop 75-100mg ED
Weeks 1-10 Primobolan 400mg
Weeks 5-12 Anavar 40mg ED
Weeks 1-15 Nolvadex 10-20mg ED
Weeks 1-15 Liquidex 0.25mg ED
Weeks 13-15 Clomid

OR if you don't want ED injections

Weeks 1-12 Test Prop 150-200mg EOD
Weeks 1-10 Primobolan 400mg
Weeks 5-12 Anavar 40mg ED
Weeks 1-15 Nolvadex 10-20mg ED
Weeks 1-15 Liquidex 0.25mg ED
Weeks 13-15 Clomid

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Originally Posted by ant_8u

I wouldn't run your Primo less than 10 weeks

You could try:

Weeks 1-12 Test Prop 75-100mg ED
Weeks 1-10 Primobolan 400mg
Weeks 5-12 Anavar 40mg ED
Weeks 1-15 Nolvadex 10-20mg ED
Weeks 1-15 Liquidex 0.25mg ED
Weeks 13-15 Clomid

OR if you don't want ED injections

Weeks 1-12 Test Prop 150-200mg EOD
Weeks 1-10 Primobolan 400mg
Weeks 5-12 Anavar 40mg ED
Weeks 1-15 Nolvadex 10-20mg ED
Weeks 1-15 Liquidex 0.25mg ED
Weeks 13-15 Clomid

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That sounds pretty good to me man, Thanks for helping me work out the bugs, I am trying to try gear that doesn't aromitize or cause little or no water retention. Looks like a pretty good cycle to me, think i should easily make some good gains. In the pct, i'll use the clen to put the finishing touches the cycle. Should i also harden and lean out with a cycle like this. And might i try HCG to help retain gains.

Man i thought i was the smallest person on this site.
bro how much did you weigh when you did your 1st cycle?? did you keep any gains at all after the cycle??
I'm 5'7 and 150lbs. everyone here so far has told me that i just need to eat more, before i start with my cycle.
What is your diet like??

Prop is Test so will make you bigger
(it will still aromatise, and give water retention)
Primo is similar to a mild Deca so will make you bigger also

You should get no water retention from Anavar
it will aid in give you a harder look and make you f*cking strong

Just make sure you use your Nolva and L-dex
It will keep the water bloat from the Primo and Prop to a minimum
and also stop aromatisation

And use your Clomid properly afterwards to keep your gains

Looks like you will grow some good lean muscle on this cycle

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Originally Posted by Scorpion25

Man i thought i was the smallest person on this site.
bro how much did you weigh when you did your 1st cycle?? did you keep any gains at all after the cycle??
I'm 5'7 and 150lbs. everyone here so far has told me that i just need to eat more, before i start with my cycle.
What is your diet like??

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Crap man, when it came to eating, i ate everything, i was like 148 my first cycle, had to stop cycle 3 weeks early because was getting to big in my opinion, 32lbs in 9 weeks is pretty drastic when you only weighed like 150 IMO. Did lose the gains, but most gains were water and it was hard to lose that water. Diet is still key though, Looking towards maybe like 2 cycles of what i mentioned above and trying to keeps gains about 12lb a cycle, but solid gains, i hate the bloated look and don't need to be huge in my opinion, but 170-175 at 5' 6" or 7" is pretty big if you are lean.

man no such thing as too big unless its alot of fat/water going on :(

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Originally Posted by Scorpion25

Man i thought i was the smallest person on this site.
bro how much did you weigh when you did your 1st cycle?? did you keep any gains at all after the cycle??
I'm 5'7 and 150lbs. everyone here so far has told me that i just need to eat more, before i start with my cycle.
What is your diet like??

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Researching into your diet already
Good on ya bro
Also try the diets forum on this site

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Originally Posted by ant_8u

Prop is Test so will make you bigger
(it will still aromatise, and give water retention)
Primo is similar to a mild Deca so will make you bigger also

You should get no water retention from Anavar
it will aid in give you a harder look and make you f*cking strong

Just make sure you use your Nolva and L-dex
It will keep the water bloat from the Primo and Prop to a minimum
and also stop aromatisation

And use your Clomid properly afterwards to keep your gains

Looks like you will grow some good lean muscle on this cycle

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Thats what i want to hear Thanks agin man:7up:
will do all to keep water down.

aye and prop has a greater % of test per mg :)

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Originally Posted by taiboxa

man no such thing as too big unless its alot of fat/water going on :(

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to each their own man, just depend on what you are looking for.

Hey ant, should the clomid be started 2 weeks after the prop, not sure on that.

3 days :(

i can do that, thanks

PCT starts 14 days after PRIMO finishes
PCT starts 3 days after PROP finishes

gotcha, had the mixed up, thanks