Thread: Growth Plate Closure......
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05-31-2005, 04:13 PM #1
Growth Plate Closure......
I was just wondering if there are any AAS that do not close growth plates besides var. I heard DHTs dont cause closure but I want to know forsure and if there are any other AAS that wont?
ThanksLast edited by BlackStang; 05-31-2005 at 04:28 PM.
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05-31-2005, 04:15 PM #2
diden't you already have a thread like this ? var t-bol winny. Not sure what else. But like i said in your other thread i still think you should wait a bit before you cycle
Last edited by stocky121; 05-31-2005 at 04:21 PM.
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05-31-2005, 04:19 PM #3
wait until you are done growing and then you won't have any problems, make all the natural gains you can.should all be closed by the time you are 20yo. i would still wait another year or so even after that, lots of time for gear when you are older.
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05-31-2005, 04:20 PM #4
If you're of an age where you have to ask this question then you need to wait a few years before you start a cycle.
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05-31-2005, 04:24 PM #5Originally Posted by BlackStang
You really mean AAS, don't you?....
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05-31-2005, 04:25 PM #6
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What he said 2 posts up!!!
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05-31-2005, 04:26 PM #7
stocky121 - Yes i did have another thread but as you stated "var t-bol winny. Not sure what else" noone was sure. I just want to make sure and see if there are any others.
Thought I would get replys saying to wait but I havn't decided to do anything else yet. The more knowlegde you have the better.
Thanks
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05-31-2005, 04:27 PM #8
lol man i missed that, yes AAS
long hard day at work.
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05-31-2005, 05:27 PM #9
It's the estrogen levels that cause the closing of the epiphyseal plates - not testosterone . So in theory any non-aromatizing steroid would be safe to use. HOWEVER the problem is that during PCT, there will likely be an estrogen rebound which might be enough to bring on closure. If you're young enough to still be growing, you're also enjoying the highest levels of testosterone and HGH that you'll ever have in your life. Using AAS just doesn't seem worth the risk IMO.
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05-31-2005, 05:37 PM #10
Ok would a var/primo cycle need more then tribulus to bring the natural test levels up since they arn't that hard on my system?
The cycle would be
weeks 1-10 primo 300mg a week ( shot twice a week)
weeks 1-10 var 40mg/ed (take in morning and night)
Maybe even cut the cycle down to 8 weeks, not looking for huge gains, 15lb or more is what i'm out for.
ThanksLast edited by BlackStang; 05-31-2005 at 05:42 PM.
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05-31-2005, 06:53 PM #11Originally Posted by BlackStang
you can gain 15 lbs naturally. easily
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05-31-2005, 06:58 PM #12Senior Member
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Man, if your so worried then just take suppliments till you stop caring. I started early and probably have grown another 1-2 inches... but I really don't give a fvck. That was so long ago anyways. Either go all out or wait, your choice.
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05-31-2005, 06:58 PM #13Banned
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05-31-2005, 07:37 PM #14
I'm not to worried about it becuase i'm already tall enough but if I can avoid it why wouldn't i?
PumpinIron - turn pms on, and what else do I need to know about this cycle? did you experience any sides, gains, did you keep all of your gains, etc.
Thanks
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05-31-2005, 08:18 PM #15Senior Member
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I hope you know that there is still a good chance that the var will shut you down...
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05-31-2005, 08:23 PM #16
Yea I've been looking into var for awhile now and some people did say that but most people said that tribulus would be fine for pct.
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05-31-2005, 08:56 PM #17
how old are you?
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05-31-2005, 08:57 PM #18Junior Member
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shut you down test-wise / sexually or growth plate wise?
Originally Posted by Whoisdaman
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05-31-2005, 09:11 PM #19
19. Yes I know most of you on here will say thats too young and that I should wait. Everybody matures differently and the only way I could find that out forsure is to see my doctor, which i probably will if I decide to do a cycle. But I picked two AAS that do not aromatize which won't close growth plates. I was heavily into drinking since I was younger which probably lowerd my test levels so they probably arn't "raging" as much as they should be.
The cycle is mild and shouldn't be too harsh on me. The reason why I am asking these questions because I want to find out the best and safest way to do the cycle if I do decide to go through with it.
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05-31-2005, 09:15 PM #20Senior Member
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Originally Posted by droddy
Originally Posted by BlackStangLast edited by Whoisdaman; 05-31-2005 at 09:18 PM.
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05-31-2005, 09:21 PM #21
Ya forsure, i'm fine with my height but like I said if I can avoid it I would rather go that route.
Since var and primo dont convert to estrogen I shouldn't have to worry about closing my plates because even though my test levels will be lower then normal my estrogen levels shouldn't be much different right?
Also would just using tribulus for pct be good enough?
Thanks man
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05-31-2005, 09:33 PM #22Senior Member
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Originally Posted by BlackStang
Originally Posted by BlackStang
I kept growing after multiple cycles of stacked prohormones when I was 17 or so, and I was shutdown. Some of it's luck I guess.
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05-31-2005, 09:38 PM #23
So I shouldn't be worried about the clomid closing my growth plates?
Through my research mostly everyone said it would.
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06-01-2005, 04:32 AM #24Originally Posted by BlackStang
no any anti-e is going to close your growth plate's
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06-01-2005, 06:14 AM #25
So if I run the cycle followed by Clomid for 15-20 days @ 50mg I shouldn't have to worry about anything?
thanks everyone
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06-01-2005, 06:19 AM #26Originally Posted by BlackStang
yes clomid will close your growth plate's
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06-01-2005, 08:47 AM #27
How would an anti-e close your growth plates? I'm just wondering this because if it is blocking estrogen or surpressing it, then you wouldn't have excess estrogen, therefore your growth plates wouldn't close. Am I wrong about this?
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06-01-2005, 03:42 PM #28
Ya i'm gettin confused here lol. So clomid will close my plates and would tribulus be enough to bring my natural test levels back up? or would that not do much.
Thanks
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06-01-2005, 03:46 PM #29
look bro this is the last time i'am going to try and help you take a look at this thread Found out my son was taking steroids, what can I do? Please!
dude-man explain's all he used to be a very good vet before he got banned and diesal backed him up and he was a mod. But do what ever you have to do bro.
also i have spoke to buylongterm in pm's about this and he think's dude-man would be correctLast edited by stocky121; 06-01-2005 at 03:52 PM.
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06-01-2005, 04:03 PM #30
That post explains everything. I don't know why I couldn't find that one. I've been doing searching for awhile now.
Ok well now that I know tribulus can be used for pct at 4g/ed all I need to know is how long should I run it for?
I guess that will depend on how I feel, etc and should be able to tell myself.
Thanks for sorry for all the questions but If i'm going to go through with it I want to do it the right way.
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06-01-2005, 04:06 PM #31Originally Posted by BlackStang
no problem bro at lest your listening. And you answerd your question yourself just run it untill you feel like yuor test level's are back up or better yet go to your doc's and get them checked out
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06-01-2005, 04:07 PM #32Originally Posted by BlackStang
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06-01-2005, 04:12 PM #33
even with just a primo/var cycle? Many people have said that trib is fine for pct on a var only and primo isn't harsh either.
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06-01-2005, 04:13 PM #34Originally Posted by BlackStang
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06-01-2005, 04:15 PM #35
well i would like to know why its not. I have heard that it is ok with a var only cycle and adding primo with var shouldn't drop my test levels much more would it?
Just tryin to hear both sides here man.
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06-01-2005, 04:20 PM #36Originally Posted by BlackStang
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06-01-2005, 04:27 PM #37
There isn't? I thought different AAS affect you differently. As in some drop your test levels more then others.
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06-01-2005, 04:32 PM #38
"Anavar (oxandrolone) is not very toxic, not very androgenic , mildly anabolic , and pretty mild on the body’s HPTA"
"I think it may be due to it’s relatively light impact on the HPTA"
"Anavar will not totally shut down your HPTA"
Just thought i'd add in quotes from hookers profile on anavarLast edited by BlackStang; 06-01-2005 at 04:37 PM.
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06-01-2005, 06:44 PM #39Originally Posted by BlackStang
You could also run 10mg of Dbol /ED, but the same thing applies if you are not a small child.
Either of these will only prevent muscle loss during PCT, you won't actually gain off of it...
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Sorry bro, but Var can make an impact on your HPTA, and stacked with primo... who knows.
Originally Posted by justin2305
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