winstrol and test

[roger24]

guys, this is what im thinking for my next cycle, im trying to gain speed, and a little bit of size and mussle, i cant have d-bol or anything because im going to be doing tons and tons of cardio. so this cycle is to help me to be able to run faster.

weeks 1-12 oral winstrol 50 mg a day.
weeks 2-10 test cyp, 250 mg every other day.

im going to be ordering some needles and pinz from getpinz.com.
is winstrol depot realy that much better then oral, does anyone have any exsperiances with this.
is there anything i shoot take to jumpstart my clycle, i know alot of people use d-bol for this, but i cant, so is there any thing else i could take to jumpstart my cycle.
does this seem like a good cycle for to gain speed, give me some feedback.

[irish bulldog]

do a bit more research first 12 weeks on oral winny will kill your liver 6 weeks max for winny 50mg ed.
test prop can be used as a kickstart but ed injections
250g cyp eod?

500mg a week is a good dose for cyp but you can inject it once a week.

you will need anti e for the bloat you will get from the cyp.

you also need clomid ,nolva for pct.did you know this?

[BUYLONGTERM]

That cycle needs to go back to the drawing board. You need to do some research!! You should be using Winstrol the last 6 weeks of your cycle, not in the beginning. Test should be the first thing you take starting day one.

How old are you? what is your stats? I'm assuming this will be your first cycle???

[roger24]

im 28 years old, 5-10 187lbs. this will be my 5th cycle, i used to cycle in colloge, with a buddy, but that was a long time ago. we would always do a d-bol only cycle. this time i need some gear for speed so d-bol wont work.
and yes, i know about PCT lol, im going to have some clomid, but only use it if i start to bloat or get gyn. so anyway, for my clcle, i should start with the test cyp, then after 6 or so weeks throw in the winny, then go off test and finish up my cycle with the winny. so it would look like this.
weeks 1-8 test cyp, 250mg twice a week
weeks 7-12 oral winstrol .
clomid and nolva- if i need it.

if i do start with the test cyp, how long will it be before i start to notice it, or see results, is prop the only thing i could use to jumpstart my cycle.
thanks for the feedback, is my cycle looking better now.

[dragon69]

the fact that the stated the cycle was to "help him run faster" is a big flashing warning sign if you ask me. He obviously has no idea of what these drugs do.

Go back to the drawing board and do research first, you don't understand what you're doing yet.

[roger24]

the point of my cylce is to put on some quality muscle, and a little bit of weight, they will also help me run faster, and these are all the things im tying to acheve. musce, weight, speed.
does my cycle look good.

[taiboxa]

that cycle will kill you

[Booz]

clomid is not used durin the cycle mate it is for post course therapy,nolva and other anti's are used for bloat n gyno not clomid,not flamin you mate but you seriously need to do sum research,dbol only cycles really says it all.

[roger24]

listen, i know about PCT, im not going to be running my clomid and nolva during my cycle wtf, i just simply want to know what you think about this cycle, is it ok.

[Booz]

well why did you say you have some clomid but are only gonna use it if you get sighns of bloat or gyno WTF!

[Dave321]

listen, i know about PCT, im not going to be running my clomid and nolva during my cycle wtf, i just simply want to know what you think about this cycle, is it ok.

the cycle sucks... But the cool part about it is, you'll actually get to see what your liver looks like when the doctors remove it from your body.

[Booz]

the cycle sucks... But the cool part about it is, you'll actually get to see what your liver looks like when the doctors remove it from your body.

bang on with the quote bro!!

[BUYLONGTERM]

Bro, lighten up. We are trying to help you. Your cycle is horrible. Test will take about 4 weeks to kick in. You could jumpstart the cycle with DBOL , but honestly, just stick with Test.

Week 1-10 Test Cyp 500mg (250mg on Mon., 250mg on Thur.)
Nolva - 10mg ED
L dex .25mg ED
PCT - 2 weeks after last test injection.

[dragon69]

winstrol is THAT hard on your liver? Holy smokes. I have some ready and have planned to include it for the last 5-6 weeks, but if it's that bad......

[Dave321]

winstrol is THAT hard on your liver? Holy smokes. I have some ready and have planned to include it for the last 5-6 weeks, but if it's that bad......

Its not AS bad in moderation... Knowledge is power, some people don't posses this.

[Booz]

winstrol is THAT hard on your liver? Holy smokes. I have some ready and have planned to include it for the last 5-6 weeks, but if it's that bad......

last 5 weeks is ok as long as you are not usin another oral.

[roger24]

so i should skip the winny all together, and simply run test for 10 weeks. i would realy like to run the winny sometime during my cycle, i think i would get better results. and the clomid and nolva thing, i was planing on taking it as pct, but what i ment was that i would have it, and take it if during my cycle i started to get gyn, wtf, lol, so if i decide to take winny with the test cycle, how should it lay out, also should i take milk thissle for my liver.
im new it this, and i havent did a cycle for around 8 years, so dont get pi$$ED of at me all the time. thanks for the feedback.

[dragon69]

last 5 weeks is ok as long as you are not usin another oral.

ok....what if the oral was proviron , I think that would be a safe inclusion. What's your take on that?

[roger24]

any info.

[Booz]

ok mate you wont need the clomid for durin cycle you will only need nolva for bloat and gyno,if you have not done test before i would suggest 500mg weekly.
500mg cyp1-12 weeks split into 2 shots
50mg winny ed 10-14 weeks+4days then start your pct the day after your last winny tab.you can do the winny but you just cant overdo it,peace bro.

[Booz]

ok....what if the oral was proviron, I think that would be a safe inclusion. What's your take on that?

i personally would not take it because it is still a mild anabolic although not effective,but thats jmo,others prob will say diff.

[bigguy20]

week 1-4 test prop at 50-75mg ed
week 1-12 cyp 500mg (one shot monday and one thursday)
week 5-11 winny 50mg ed (injectable or oral)
10mg/day of nolva ed throughout cycle to keep extra water weight off for agility
start clomid and nolva pct 2 weeks or so after last shot of test.
and yes its always good to take milk thistle while on cycle just to keep you that much cleaner.
hope this will help you out. take care

[roger24]

so i should run
weeks 1-12 test cyp 500 mg per week, 2 shots per week
weeks 10-14 oral winstrol 50 mg ED.
should i run nolva during my cycle, or wait untell pct.
also would milk thisle be a good idia, or shouldent i worry about it.

[bigguy20]

oh and by the way u said that u needed an alternative to d-bol to jumpstart your cycle and test propionate is best for that. the only thing you have to get used to is the ed injections, i got used to it pretty fast.

[taiboxa]

nono cyp takes 18 days to clear sys..
so you want to run the win through that time
so it would be like this
wks 1-4 prop
wks 1-12 cyp
wks 9-14.75 win
personally i would end it w/ prop to solidfy gains for last 4 weeks w/ some win but i dont know if your ready for that?

[roger24]

thanks BIGGUY20, does everyone else agree that i should run the cycle that bigguy20 thinks. if i cant get prop, i will jist run the cycle without it, and start my cycle with the cyp. but i should be able to get prop. so does bigguys20's cycle for me look good. it looks like it would be a little harsh on my liver doesent it. what do you guys think.

[roger24]

so i should start out with prop and cyp at the same time.

[roger24]

any info

[roger24]

hello

[dragon69]

yes....but maybe you'd be better off with test prop throughout to avoid retention or cyp with added nolvadex might do. Still don't think it'll make you faster though....if it does it's probably from the increased drive to perform.

Speaking of increased drive....if you know any chicks that are faster than you, you could get faster by running behind them a couple weeks into the cycle.

[roger24]

yep, i will have to try that lol.

[bigguy20]

yes the cycle i gave you will work fine, and no it wont be too harsh on the liver, the only thing in there thats strong on the liver is the winny, thats why you should only run it for 6 weeks, tai boxa is right about the cyp lasting 18 days and stuff so its up to you on how you wanna run it. both ways r good. i just prefer to run anything thats not a test until a week before my last test shot, even if i know the test will be in my system longer. also you can run the prop to close your last 4 weeks of your cycle but itll get tough, especially since you havent cycled in so long. im running my prop my first 4 and last 4 weeks of my cycle to see what its like this time.

[YVR]

nono cyp takes 18 days to clear sys..
so you want to run the win through that time
so it would be like this
wks 1-4 prop
wks 1-12 cyp
wks 9-14.75 win
personally i would end it w/ prop to solidfy gains for last 4 weeks w/ some win but i dont know if your ready for that?

Hey taiboxa,

what kinda mgs/week would be associated with this?

Thanks man

[taiboxa]

nono cyp takes 18 days to clear sys..
so you want to run the win through that time
so it would be like this
wks 1-4 prop 75mg ED
wks 1-12 cyp 500mg/wk
wks 9-14.75 win 50-75mg ED split it into 2 doses about every 9-12hrs.personally i would end it w/ prop to solidfy gains for last 4 weeks w/ some win but i dont know if your ready for that?

try that bolded.

[YVR]

Wikkid...

thanks for taking the time bro

[taiboxa]

noproblemo

[roger24]

thanks for the help everyone.

[roger24]

how long do you think it will be before i notice a differance, or before i will be able to feel it working.

[flabbywussy]

the point of my cylce is to put on some quality muscle, and a little bit of weight, they will also help me run faster, and these are all the things im tying to acheve. musce, weight, speed.
does my cycle look good.

sorry bro the cycle you are going to do will not help you run faster

you need to do more research. you don't even have anything for the bloat do you? if you are bloated you will definately NOT be running faster

[scav]

How about using hcg PCT and arimidex during cycle and PCT?

If I am not mistaken hcg helps much of the gains stay permanent and arimidex declines water retention and blocks off gyno 100%?