mallet, advise please!

**speedz** · 06-07-2005, 05:48 AM

hey mallet,

im currently doing your 7on 5off with t3. ive got some liquid stuff. ive been monitering my bbt and yest i took 180mcg. it was only 35.7 degrees this morning. im wondering if i should bump it up a little like you said if my temp is low etc. how much? 20mcg? also when is it best to take this? as soon as i wake up or midday after training?

thanks in advance.
speedz

**Property of Steroid.com** · 06-07-2005, 06:10 AM

Why are you doing 5on, 7off? I'm not familiar with that idea...

And what is 35.7 degrees, in Farenheight? What's your ideal temp (I'll assume 98.2F) for this purpose?

**rodge** · 06-07-2005, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by hooker

Why are you doing 5on, 7off? I'm not familiar with that idea...

And what is 35.7 degrees, in Farenheight? What's your ideal temp (I'll assume 98.2F) for this purpose?

he's talking about 35.7 degrees celcius.

-rodge

**Property of Steroid.com** · 06-07-2005, 06:32 AM

Yeah...which is why I asked what that was in Farenheight.....

**magicstick2003** · 06-07-2005, 06:36 AM

lol that doesn;t seem right 35.7 degress celcius is like 100 something farenheight...

**Property of Steroid.com** · 06-07-2005, 06:39 AM

I forget the conversion....I lived in New Zealand for a decent time....and what I remember about celcius is that 0 is freezing, and 100 is boiling...10C is cold out, 20C is nice, and 30C is hot....

I don't know the conversion exactly....

**Property of Steroid.com** · 06-07-2005, 06:42 AM

He's 96.2 degrees Farenheight, if he's 37.5C....I can only assume he's trying to get to 98.2F aka 36.77C

**rodge** · 06-07-2005, 07:01 AM

0 degrees fahrenheit= -18 degrees celcius is the only thing i can remember.

-rodge

**Property of Steroid.com** · 06-07-2005, 07:12 AM

I did it on my mobile phone....Nokia's have a "Conversion" menu where you can do that stuff...the actual formula involved division by 9 or something and multiplying by 200 or some nonsense....

**speedz** · 06-07-2005, 08:01 AM

yeah 35.7 = 96.2, thats what it was this morning upon waking. optimal fat loss is 97.6-98.2 (off the top of my head that is). so again, do i up the dose or does it take a bit for the t3 to kick in?

thanks,
speedz

**Property of Steroid.com** · 06-07-2005, 08:11 AM

Yeah...I figured those were "his" reccomendations...they are verbatim from Dan Duchaine's "Body Opus"....as is most of what Mallet says (*the correct stuff, anyway).

**speedz** · 06-07-2005, 08:16 AM

so hooker can you help me? or do i have to wait for the man himself?

**Property of Steroid.com** · 06-07-2005, 08:25 AM

You'll be waiting for Duchaine awhile....he's passed away. If you are waiting for Mallet to come here and repeat what Duchaine said a decade ago....then you may be in luck....

To be honest, though...I think you should just run the cytomel straight through (no Xon/Yoff bullshit), and increase the dose until you reach your optimal BBT.

**SwoleCat** · 06-07-2005, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by hooker

You'll be waiting for Duchaine awhile....he's passed away.

~SC~

**Property of Steroid.com** · 06-07-2005, 08:49 AM

To answer your first question, you take BBT upon rising, always at the same time, and before you get outta bed.

Secondly, just take cytomel , 20mcg/day and incrrease the dose every few days until your temp is where you want it to be.

**MBaraso** · 06-07-2005, 08:57 AM

I'm w/ hooker on this one> I don't like mallets way of using t3. Maybe it's good for some ppl but I just can't see taking that much t3 in one day to be safe.

**Property of Steroid.com** · 06-07-2005, 08:58 AM

I'm not 100% familiar with "his" way...I know alot of it is simply Duchaine's way...and the rest is wrong.

**speedz** · 06-07-2005, 09:05 AM

thanks guys..... but mallet if your there, ill listen too! na seriously this board rocks.. cheers

**Property of Steroid.com** · 06-07-2005, 09:16 AM

Sorry I couldn't tell you ....whatever it is you're looking for. I can tell you how to get your BBT to where you want it...but not with that absurd dosing protocol..I can't even imagine the reasons behind that type of dosing scheme.

**SwoleCat** · 06-07-2005, 09:21 AM

I saw someone say he was taking 225mcg's/day!!

To me that is highly insane, but it's just my opinion on the matter.

~SC~

**Property of Steroid.com** · 06-07-2005, 09:29 AM

Right now, I've written quite a bit on thyroid meds and function, and I'm working with one of our female members on optimizing her thyroid.

**MBaraso** · 06-07-2005, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by SwoleCat

I saw someone say he was taking 225mcg's/day!!

To me that is highly insane, but it's just my opinion on the matter.

~SC~

Yep, and it depends on what your bodyweight is or something

Sorry but IMO it's not safe taking that much t3.
I rarley go above 100 so 225mcg's per day would be a ridiculous amount to take...

**Property of Steroid.com** · 06-07-2005, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by MBaraso

Yep, and it depends on what your bodyweight is or something

Sorry but IMO it's not safe taking that much t3.
I rarley go above 100 so 225mcg's per day would be a ridiculous amount to take...

Whats the dosing theory? The 5/7 thingy? DO you know?

**HollywoodM3** · 06-07-2005, 10:06 AM

its 7days on and 5 days off, I have used it this way. only once, it ends up being a lot of t3. its based on body weight and body temp. again the dose is adjusted by body temp to get in that "fat burning zone" If I can think back, I think the reason for the 7/5 split was so the thyroid doesnt crash and you can use this cycle for as long as you want, without using it during pct! It is also use with clen in the same 7/5 slpit.

**speedz** · 06-07-2005, 10:33 AM

hollywood, did it work for you? and hooker, you mentioned you could tell me how to get my bbt up into the zone.... how do you suggest this should be done. cheers

**Property of Steroid.com** · 06-07-2005, 10:44 AM

You may want to check out my stuff on Synthroid and Cytomel in the Profiles forum.

One study I mentioned in them shows people quickly regaining thyroid function after 30 years (!) of using thyroid meds...hence....that 5/7 dosing protocol to avoid yadda yadda yadda....is dead and buried. Officially.

**Property of Steroid.com** · 06-07-2005, 10:49 AM

"..after withdrawal of exogenous thyroid therapy, thyroid function, in terms of radioiodine uptake, returned to normal in most subjects within two weeks. He further observed that thyroid function returned as rapidly in those subjects whose glands had been depressed by several years of thyroid medication as it did in those whose gland had been depressed for only a few days"

Reference:

N Engl J Med 1975 Oct 2;293(14):681-4 Recovery of pituitary thyrotropic function after withdrawal of prolonged thyroid-suppression therapy. Vagenakis AG, Braverman LE, Azizi F, Portinay GI, Ingbar SH.

Thyroid crash, eh? I think Mallet's theory just crashed, but that's about it...

**HollywoodM3** · 06-07-2005, 11:01 AM

speedz, yea it worked, I also use the other way, which is starting off slow and going up to around 100mcg and then backing it back down. which can be found in the educational thread under ceylon t3 cycle. I tend to like this way better. I dont think I have ran mallets enough to give it a reall run for its money.

**Mallet** · 06-07-2005, 02:18 PM

HOOKER HOOKER HOOKER...you are amusing...LMAO at you!

**Property of Steroid.com** · 06-07-2005, 03:40 PM

Feel free to rebut my claims....

**MBaraso** · 06-07-2005, 03:42 PM

Just for the record I'm staying out of this arguement because I probably don't know as much as the 2 of you when it comes to t3 but speaking from personal experience...Taking that much t3 in one day would render me useless in everyday life let alone the gym.

**Money Boss Hustla** · 06-07-2005, 03:43 PM

As long everyone's civil I see no problem with the discussion/debate.

**Property of Steroid.com** · 06-07-2005, 03:48 PM

I am making 2 claims in this thread:

1. Mallet took most of what he says from Dan Duchaine
2. The rest is incorrect

I can prove claim 1 by making references from BodyOpus and DirtyDieting(works by Duchaine) and I can prove claim 2 by references to endocrinological/medical journals and textbooks.

If we're going to have any sort of discussion about this topic, I'm game...