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06-08-2005, 02:32 PM #1
Newbie cutting cycle.
I've attached a file that is a modified cycle taken from this site. Take a look if you like and comment accordingly as to whether you believe it has merit as a good beginners cutting cycle or if you think its sh*t. Also, can the water retention caused by some steroids be handled by taking a Lasix every day?
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06-08-2005, 02:50 PM #2
I would add some kind of test in there.
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06-08-2005, 02:51 PM #3
First off forget about lasix, especially being your new to AS. That's not something you wanna fck with.
2nd...eq/winny/clen cycles are good if your goal is strickly cutting but I'd recomend test with that cycle for better results.
20mgs nolva will keep the bloat off during cycles but why run it in that cycle? Eq has very little if any water retention and winny has none so I don't really see the point.
If I were to run that I might add .5cc ed of ldex but that's it. I personally would skip the nolva.
I'd go with test/eq/clen or test/winny/clen along with ldex in both.
Diet/cardio gonna determine how much cut you get and if you can cut on Eq god bless you cuz I certainly can't.
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06-08-2005, 04:47 PM #4
Don't mess with Lasix? I've been using it for quite awhile without any trouble. As long as you take potassium with it there shouldn't be problems. Regardless, my goal in modifying that cycle was to create a very effective fat burning, moderately anabolic , cycle. I need to lose like 50 lbs so bulking is not that important right now. I just need to get some lard off my ass while maintaining my current lean mass.
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06-08-2005, 05:02 PM #5Originally Posted by Tinytestes
Whats your current stats and have u ever used AS before?
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06-08-2005, 08:37 PM #6
Stats: 23 years old, 5'9", 295lbs @ 30% bodyfat. No I've never used before.
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06-08-2005, 09:01 PM #7Associate Member
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Originally Posted by Tinytestes
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06-08-2005, 09:08 PM #8
Yeah, Ive tried it time and time again. I think from dieting so much I've screwed my metabolism. My body absolutely refuses to lose weight until I've dropped below 1000 cals a day. I know that is incredibly unhealthy and don't know what else to do. In my mind taking a few assisting chemicals to reach my goals is much better than starving myself and losing all my muscle.
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06-08-2005, 09:17 PM #9
EQ at 500mg/wk will give you mad hunger pains which will only make dieting harder. EQ at 500 will have a tendancy to put some weight on you as will the winny. if pure fat loss is your goal, the clen and T-3 combo will do that. clen is mildly anti-catabolic, so it will combat some catabolism from the T-3. if you want something for more catabolism, i'd say 200-300mg test/wk. winny just kills my joints and i'll never use it again. var would be another good option, although more expensive than the test or winny. no matter what supps you add in, 80-90% of your fat loss will be from diet, cardio and workouts.
what does your diet look like with a breakdown of fats, carbs and protein for each meal? what type, how long and how often do you do cardio? same thing with workouts?
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06-08-2005, 10:00 PM #10
If your hell bent on taking a cycle mainly for cutting purposes test e/clen /t3 would be the way to go, along w/ some ldex.
Your diet and cardio are gonna be the key here even with the drugs so don't jump into AS thinking your gonna lose weight because your on something...If your diet/cardio/workouts aren't in check your gonna look worse then when u started.
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06-08-2005, 10:04 PM #11
What would be a good combo of cardio and weights for this type of cycle? Also, what calorie range would be appropriate? Dosing?
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06-08-2005, 10:07 PM #12
cardio 5 days a week 30-45 minutes at 65-70% THR
lifting, i don't really change
dosing, no more than 400-500mg test, i cut with 400mg test enan.
calories depend on weight and goals. probably 2500 cals, 300-350g's protein a day, low fat, moderate carbs.
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06-08-2005, 10:10 PM #13Originally Posted by wired-up
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06-08-2005, 10:11 PM #14
Sounds good. Thanks guys.
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06-08-2005, 10:21 PM #15Associate Member
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Just run test p with the clen and t3. I am running prop,winny, and clen right now. My guy is out of t3 right now.
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06-08-2005, 10:22 PM #16Originally Posted by boywonder10101
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06-08-2005, 10:23 PM #17
Any reason to take clomid, nolvadex or b6?
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06-08-2005, 10:32 PM #18Associate Member
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Yea, take the clomid and nolva durring pct. If you are just starting to use AAS, then gyno shouldn't be a big prob. Have the nolva on hand incase you see puffiness around your niblets.
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06-08-2005, 10:36 PM #19
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06-08-2005, 10:43 PM #20
So I don't need to take the nolvadex everyday during the cycle? Would it hurt anything if I took it everyday just in case? I really don't need my tits getting any bigger. Although having sensitive nipples might be fun.
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06-08-2005, 11:01 PM #21Originally Posted by Tinytestes
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06-08-2005, 11:46 PM #22
try hydrochlorothiazide
it's a mild diuretic.. and a lot safer than lasix
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06-08-2005, 11:49 PM #23
if you're trying to burn fat off, diuretics aren't needed. the more water you take in, the better your body will burn fat. you want the water. diruetics are only if you're trying to dry up to look good for a show or the beach for a week. won't do too much for long term fat loss.
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06-09-2005, 01:32 AM #24Member
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tinytestes, you don't have your diet together plain and simple. If you can't lose, it's always diet. Check out the 'cutting sticky' in the diet section of the forum, it is very effective (I'm doing it now and I see changes everyday). Don't turn to steriods for this, you'll be disappointed.
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06-09-2005, 07:01 AM #25
I realize how important my diet is. However, I'm frankly tired of f*cking around and am going to lose this damned fat come hell or high water. This stuff will greatly increase the speed and I believe quality of my results.
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06-09-2005, 07:15 AM #26
only the clen and T-3 will increase the speed. gear won't do anything except keep you from loosing what muscle you already have. don't expect miracles from the clen and T-3 either. they'll help, but diet is still the key. if you eat like crap, no matter how much clen or T-3 you take, you won't loose any fat.
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06-09-2005, 07:22 AM #27
I plan on using the diet info you suggested wired-up. I feel like in 5-6 months I could easily go from my current weight of 295 to a tight, toned and tanned 225.
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06-09-2005, 08:14 AM #28
first off, at 30% bf you shouldnt be taking steroids . You need to work on your diet a lot and do more cardio. You say youve tried dieting and all that and it didnt work, all that tells me is that you dont know how to diet and eat correctly. Here's an example of a cutting diet
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=75729
Have you tried eating like this? I highly doubt it. Im not trying to flame you but, diet and cardio are the keys not losing weight, not what drugs you take. Everybody is always looking for a miracle pill or drug to lose when, but to lose weight and keep it off comes down to dedication, not drugs!!!
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06-09-2005, 11:02 AM #29
If drugs aren't the answer then why is everyone here taking them? I understand that I will have to eat right and work my ass off but with the addition of a few helpful chemicals I will get paid back in spades. I'm looking for a very dramatic change in a relatively short amount of time (5-6 months). That simply cannot be done without some chemical assistance. And whether it's wrong or right of me to do it, I am going to do it regardless.
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06-09-2005, 11:24 AM #30Originally Posted by Tinytestes
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06-09-2005, 11:34 AM #31
I guess I'm just scared of raising calories without a net (steroids ). My metabolism has been stunted so much by the low cal diet that I'm afraid that if I did raise my calories, exercise or not, I would pack on 10-15 lbs almost instantly. For a guy thats already 295 thats a scary thought. I am being sincere when I say that it does actually induce fear in me to think of gaining more fat.
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06-09-2005, 11:40 AM #32New Member
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Originally Posted by Tinytestes
And I am sorry that you don't want to hear what I or others are saying but I would bet your diet and training is far from where it should be for weightloss. Anyone can lose weight with dedication and correct knowledge. To say you cant is an excuse. I have done it naturally and didnt think I could either. Its all about committment and pure dedication. There is no magic cure for anything in this game.
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06-09-2005, 12:02 PM #33Originally Posted by Tinytestes
if your diet is right, and you keep up with cardio, you will loose weight by eating more. it can be done as thousands on here can attest to.
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06-09-2005, 02:19 PM #34Originally Posted by longhorn814
Thats about right...And tbh i am the worst ever dieter around but i do read up about a few things and what you said about you have done so many diets your body cannot react to loosing wieght..so this is the part where you think i might say i feel sorry for you ...but i dont you are 23 and well over wieght not the most over wieght person ive come across but you have 30% BF and that is alot for your age...so go to the link wich longhorn put on for you and start from scratch or even better still say ****it pig out over the weekend till you feel sick and then from monday start a realistic diet wich has worked for the majority of people also by doing alot of cardio not just 30 minutes a day you need to be burning around 800 - 1000 cals every time you train at around 70-80 % of your heart rate to do this you need to buy a watch and a stomach strap...i am from the uk and most people use the make polar.... Dude i hope you take the peoples advice on here and come back in 3 months time and put your hands up and say you didnt diet properly before but you have now.
Also i am a firm believer that drugs and steroids for cutting do alot more harm to you then good not just phisicly mentaly as well.
So university tests say 70-80 % of your heart while training will burn most fat ..so heres an example if your heart is running at 100bpm any normal day then it would probalby raise around 20% while taking any clen - t3 - winny mostly with clen so when you were to do cardio it would be giving you a different heart rate to what you would have had originaly..dont get me wrong im not knocking clen because ive have used it before and with a decent diet it will work but i dont think its good to use with 70-80% h/r workout...so heres a link on what alot of people i know use to plan there workout.
http://www.heartmonitors.com/exercis...12workouts.htm
and heres a link you can add up your cals and fat take in through the day (not 100% accurate) but i think alot of people use it .
http://www.fitday.com/
Thats about it hope you do come back in a couple of months and tell us how your getting im sure some of the others will like it to good luckLast edited by Box This*; 06-09-2005 at 02:23 PM.
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06-09-2005, 02:32 PM #35
i would drop your body fat% before you even think about AAS. 30% is very high bro. Start with a nice clean cutting diet and training program. JMO.
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06-09-2005, 02:39 PM #36Originally Posted by Tinytestes
Rely on your willpower. In most cases, people rely so much on AAS to reach their goals which in all actuality all it does, in most people, is make them think they do not have to eat as clean or workout at hard to reach their goals.
I am very confident you will see a nice change without the AAS, then when you think you may have reached a plateu, I would consider using.
Good luck my man....
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06-09-2005, 02:39 PM #37
Just for sh*ts and giggles lets suppose I decide not to use anything right now. Would the diet info provided earlier be the same if I'm not using? 2500 cals per day, spread out over 6-8 meals? Also, would a generic 3 sets of 10 be an appropriate workout architecture?
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06-09-2005, 02:47 PM #38Originally Posted by Tinytestes
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06-10-2005, 12:44 AM #39Member
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Originally Posted by Tinytestes
I lost 52lbs in 6 months years back, and recently have lost about 19 pounds in 2 months....never have I used anything except ephedrine the 1st time. I'm using the cutting sticky we're telling you about. Guys at my gym are bugging out at how my diet is working so well. I'm seeing changes every day. This diet works, we're all telling you that....add daily cardio and you'll shed, believe me.
To say it can't be done without chemicals is just plain stupid....to say it after a panel of experienced gym rats have told you otherwise time & time again is beyond stupid.
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06-10-2005, 06:01 AM #40
dragon69 did you not read my last post? I said that I'm probably not going to use anything for now. And that is because I did indeed listen to these guys. So who's stupid here?
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