putting on weight / getting fat ?

[fhorst]

Hi m8t's,

I'm about one week on D-bol now, and must say, "feels good, doing great"

But....

I'm putting on weight/ fat on my belly (and the rest is growing also but thats 90% from the water retention I think)

I'm eating much, also using "weight gain pouder"
I am an extreme Ectomorph, so gaining weight is new to me!!!

in 3 weeks I'm going to start with test.

Should I keep on building "reserves" as I might need them once the test kicks in, or should I slow down on the weight gain powder?

I'm running out of pant's that fit

[Heracles74]

so you are on d-bol only right now?? That's all water you are putting on bro. Not good at all...Why wait with the test? you should be doing them together - running the d-bol no mor ethan 4 weeks and the test no less than 10

[longhorn814]

you should be using the dbol and test at the same time. Dbol is typically used to jump start a cycle while waiting for a long acting ester like test e to kick in. So if you wait til youre done with dbol it will take another four weeks or so for the test e to kick in.

[MatrixGuy]

Hi m8t's,

I'm about one week on D-bol now, and must say, "feels good, doing great"

But....

I'm putting on weight/ fat on my belly (and the rest is growing also but thats 90% from the water retention I think)

I'm eating much, also using "weight gain pouder"
I am an extreme Ectomorph, so gaining weight is new to me!!!

in 3 weeks I'm going to start with test.

Should I keep on building "reserves" as I might need them once the test kicks in, or should I slow down on the weight gain powder?

I'm running out of pant's that fit

Shouldn't you have started the test when you started the d-bol bro?
Your prob putting fat on because of your diet. Most of these so called weight gain powders are sh**. Post your diet up.

[fhorst]

Hi M8'ts,

Sorry to keep you guys waiting for a reply, I was away a few days.

Anyway my "diet" (changes a bit, not good to eat everyday the same )

Morning:
"Brinta" mix from ground wheat with milk, (same as 4 slices of bread)
"Drink breakfast" 1/2L (same as 4 slices of bread)
2 slices of bread
5 cups of coffee
2 cups of chocolate milk
1 glass of multi vitamin (tablet dissolved in water)
1 glass of water
additional: vitamin b complex, Q10, Spirulina, 5mg D-bol, liver protection stuff


Afternoon:
6 to 8 slices of bread (with chocolate paste, peanut butter, cheese, meat, e.g.)
1/2 L milk with 4 spoons of weight gain mix
2 or 3 candy bars
2 cups of thee
2 cups of coffee
2 glasses of water
1 glass of multi vitamin (tablet dissolved in water)
Additional: 5 mg D-bol

Evening:
Dinner with 150 gr. Meat, 250 gr. Vegetables, 150 gr. Potato’s / pasta / rice
¼ l milk with 2 spoons of weight gain mix
1 glass of juice
2 cups of coffee
1 glass of water
2 slices of bread (if I feel like it, mostly I do)
Additional: 5 mg D-bol, Spirulina, Liver protection stuff


product unit kcal. egg carbolhyd fat
brinta 100 gr. 366 12.0 74.0 2.5
Milk 200 100 8.0 10.0 3.0

Slices of bread (volkoren) 8 slice 608 24.0 108 8.0
butter 8 portion 296 3.2 3.2 32.0
peanut butter 8 portion 776 32.0 20 64.0

Drink breakfast 500ml 375 17,5 65 5.0
Yoghurt stuff portion 213 10 25 8.0

milk (half fat) 750 ml. 375 30.0 37.5 11.2
Wait gain powder 100 gr 380 30 55 1

Snickers 2 piece 610 12.0 64.0 34.0
cookies 100 gr. 515 4.0 55.0 31.0
Sugar in coffee (5 gr.) 9 times 180 0.0 36.0 0.0
Chocolate milk 250 gr. 210 9.2 33,2 4,5
Juice 250 gr. 102.5 0.0 25.3 0.0

Meat / fish /chicken 150 gr. 225 30.0 0.0 12.0
Butter for baking / gravy / sauce 30gr 250 0.3 0.3 28
Vegetables 250 gr. 125 10.0 17.5 2.5
Potato’s / pasta /rice 150 gr. 130 2.6 24 0.4
Desert yoghurt (with fruit) 100 gr. 65 3.6 12.4 0.1

Total
kcal. 5901,5
Egg 238,4
carbolhyd 660,4
Fat 247,2

This is about it.
Looking at it, it is quite a lot
I take this for years now, without gaining weight. Just keeping me at a stable 58 KG. Once I quit smoking, I gained to 62 KG.

What changed now is that I use D-bol and the Waight gainer.

Hope this info helps

[fhorst]

so you are on d-bol only right now?? That's all water you are putting on bro. Not good at all...Why wait with the test? you should be doing them together - running the d-bol no mor ethan 4 weeks and the test no less than 10

I'm going to use Sust, as soon as it comes in. I might combine it with test-e.
It's in order, when it arrives I need to check it it is legid or fake, and then start using it

[MatrixGuy]

Hi M8'ts,

Sorry to keep you guys waiting for a reply, I was away a few days.

Anyway my "diet" (changes a bit, not good to eat everyday the same )

Morning:
"Brinta" mix from ground wheat with milk, (same as 4 slices of bread)
"Drink breakfast" 1/2L (same as 4 slices of bread)
2 slices of bread
5 cups of coffee
2 cups of chocolate milk
1 glass of multi vitamin (tablet dissolved in water)
1 glass of water
additional: vitamin b complex, Q10, Spirulina, 5mg D-bol, liver protection stuff


Afternoon:
6 to 8 slices of bread (with chocolate paste, peanut butter, cheese, meat, e.g.)
1/2 L milk with 4 spoons of weight gain mix
2 or 3 candy bars
2 cups of thee
2 cups of coffee
2 glasses of water
1 glass of multi vitamin (tablet dissolved in water)
Additional: 5 mg D-bol

Evening:
Dinner with 150 gr. Meat, 250 gr. Vegetables, 150 gr. Potato’s / pasta / rice
¼ l milk with 2 spoons of weight gain mix
1 glass of juice
2 cups of coffee
1 glass of water
2 slices of bread (if I feel like it, mostly I do)
Additional: 5 mg D-bol, Spirulina, Liver protection stuff


product unit kcal. egg carbolhyd fat
brinta 100 gr. 366 12.0 74.0 2.5
Milk 200 100 8.0 10.0 3.0

Slices of bread (volkoren) 8 slice 608 24.0 108 8.0
butter 8 portion 296 3.2 3.2 32.0
peanut butter 8 portion 776 32.0 20 64.0

Drink breakfast 500ml 375 17,5 65 5.0
Yoghurt stuff portion 213 10 25 8.0

milk (half fat) 750 ml. 375 30.0 37.5 11.2
Wait gain powder 100 gr 380 30 55 1

Snickers 2 piece 610 12.0 64.0 34.0
cookies 100 gr. 515 4.0 55.0 31.0
Sugar in coffee (5 gr.) 9 times 180 0.0 36.0 0.0
Chocolate milk 250 gr. 210 9.2 33,2 4,5
Juice 250 gr. 102.5 0.0 25.3 0.0

Meat / fish /chicken 150 gr. 225 30.0 0.0 12.0
Butter for baking / gravy / sauce 30gr 250 0.3 0.3 28
Vegetables 250 gr. 125 10.0 17.5 2.5
Potato’s / pasta /rice 150 gr. 130 2.6 24 0.4
Desert yoghurt (with fruit) 100 gr. 65 3.6 12.4 0.1

Total
kcal. 5901,5
Egg 238,4
carbolhyd 660,4
Fat 247,2

This is about it.
Looking at it, it is quite a lot
I take this for years now, without gaining weight. Just keeping me at a stable 58 KG. Once I quit smoking, I gained to 62 KG.

What changed now is that I use D-bol and the Waight gainer.

Hope this info helps

Ok bro, i don't want to sound nasty, because am not, but that diet is AWFUL. It clearly explains why you are adding fat. I hope Swolecat doesn't see this! he would have a heart attack!
Read this bro UNoffical "How to Bulk" thread and sample diet... for some serious help.

[Booz]

why on earth did you not start the test when you started the dbol ,i remember you postin wat cycle you was goin to do a little while ago and you was told then to start the test with the dbol?

[SwoleCat]

Ok bro, i don't want to sound nasty, because am not, but that diet is AWFUL. It clearly explains why you are adding fat. I hope Swolecat doesn't see this! he would have a heart attack!
Read this bro UNoffical "How to Bulk" thread and sample diet... for some serious help.

Holy sh*t that's about the worst I've seen.

That's not even a diet, that's like "f*ck it, let me eat whatever I find around the house and just make do".



Not meaning to flame, but it's pretty clear you know nada about AAS and even less about nutrition.

-1 + -2 = -3

~SC~

[Booz]

Hi M8'ts,

Sorry to keep you guys waiting for a reply, I was away a few days.

Anyway my "diet" (changes a bit, not good to eat everyday the same )

Morning:
"Brinta" mix from ground wheat with milk, (same as 4 slices of bread)
"Drink breakfast" 1/2L (same as 4 slices of bread)
2 slices of bread
5 cups of coffee
2 cups of chocolate milk
1 glass of multi vitamin (tablet dissolved in water)
1 glass of water
additional: vitamin b complex, Q10, Spirulina, 5mg D-bol, liver protection stuff


Afternoon:
6 to 8 slices of bread (with chocolate paste, peanut butter, cheese, meat, e.g.)
1/2 L milk with 4 spoons of weight gain mix
2 or 3 candy bars
2 cups of thee
2 cups of coffee
2 glasses of water
1 glass of multi vitamin (tablet dissolved in water)
Additional: 5 mg D-bol

Evening:
Dinner with 150 gr. Meat, 250 gr. Vegetables, 150 gr. Potato’s / pasta / rice
¼ l milk with 2 spoons of weight gain mix
1 glass of juice
2 cups of coffee
1 glass of water
2 slices of bread (if I feel like it, mostly I do)
Additional: 5 mg D-bol, Spirulina, Liver protection stuff


product unit kcal. egg carbolhyd fat
brinta 100 gr. 366 12.0 74.0 2.5
Milk 200 100 8.0 10.0 3.0

Slices of bread (volkoren) 8 slice 608 24.0 108 8.0
butter 8 portion 296 3.2 3.2 32.0
peanut butter 8 portion 776 32.0 20 64.0

Drink breakfast 500ml 375 17,5 65 5.0
Yoghurt stuff portion 213 10 25 8.0

milk (half fat) 750 ml. 375 30.0 37.5 11.2
Wait gain powder 100 gr 380 30 55 1

Snickers 2 piece 610 12.0 64.0 34.0
cookies 100 gr. 515 4.0 55.0 31.0
Sugar in coffee (5 gr.) 9 times 180 0.0 36.0 0.0
Chocolate milk 250 gr. 210 9.2 33,2 4,5
Juice 250 gr. 102.5 0.0 25.3 0.0

Meat / fish /chicken 150 gr. 225 30.0 0.0 12.0
Butter for baking / gravy / sauce 30gr 250 0.3 0.3 28
Vegetables 250 gr. 125 10.0 17.5 2.5
Potato’s / pasta /rice 150 gr. 130 2.6 24 0.4
Desert yoghurt (with fruit) 100 gr. 65 3.6 12.4 0.1

Total
kcal. 5901,5
Egg 238,4
carbolhyd 660,4
Fat 247,2

This is about it.
Looking at it, it is quite a lot
I take this for years now, without gaining weight. Just keeping me at a stable 58 KG. Once I quit smoking, I gained to 62 KG.

What changed now is that I use D-bol and the Waight gainer.

Hope this info helps

you are fu**in jokin mate?surely you are takin the pi*s?

[fhorst]

lol.
Trust me.
If I eat less, I'll be back to 54kg or less. and I'm not feeling good when I'm that low on weight.

I've tried several diets, last one costed me like 15 euro per day on supplements

This is the one that works for me.... for a long (Years!) time.
it's not extreme, I'm 1.78m, and I am now 68kg, with 15% body fat.
but for a "skiny guy" normally 57/58 kg with 6 or 7% body fat, the changes are huge!
it's about a 15% increase... Imagine yourselve with a 15% increase in a short time

But I will read UNoffical "How to Bulk" thread and sample diet...

Thanks for the feedback!

[hulkzer]

i'd say get off the juice now cut your loss on the dbol . do a low dose pct. save what you got on hand for another day more like year. do some research use the search button "first cycle", and check out the sticky's in the diet forum.
zer_

[scriptfactory]

LMAO! I love the:

6 to 8 slices of bread (with chocolate paste, peanut butter, cheese, meat, e.g.)
2 or 3 candy bars

[fhorst]

OK. I don't want to sound stupid.
But in the Netherlands where I live, bread is normal food.
Not the crappy stuff ppl "eat" in America. That stuff is so messed up with chemicals to have a bread ready in 1 hour, no nutrition left. You can eat a whole American bread, without feeling full, or 4 slices or European bread.

If I would have lived in Asia, I guess I mostly would eat rice, and in America mostly burgers? :P

I do need to say that I forgot to add my fruits, 1 or 2 per day.

I guess I'm a bit low on protein, but still a steady 3.5 grams per kg body mass.
The 5.2K calories is what I burn each day, without getting fat. If I lower it to 4K I lose weight. That's how my body works. Don't worry, I've been to more specialist then you have fingers.
They ALL follow nice lists, and come to the conclusion that a list not always work.
If they see what I eat, they don't believe me, or say I must be freaking FAT
Only thing I never done for a diet was give up smoking... I smoked about 10 cigarettes a day, but quit about a year ago.

The additional powder "only" gives (together with the milk) 700 cal.

I've been studding nutrition’s for about 7 or 8 years now.
I get enough of my normal vitamins, minerals, etc, etc, ect. If I would follow a normal diet, I'll be back to 54 kg in no time.

Don't forget I'm an ectomorph. That does require a bit different approach.

I'm not posting to be flamed. I'm serious about this. If you have constructive criticism,
please add.

I do have a daytime job.
Meaning (I live in the Netherlands, the country where we invented the traphic jam)
Get up 6.30
Get in the car 7.00
Get at the office 9.00 (it’s 60 km)
Lunch 12-13.00
Work till 17.30 (eat something! mosty candy bars..)
Arrive at home 19.30
Sports/ Cook dinner/ sleep

My lunch is at the office. So. Mostly bread

POSITIVE suggestions are welcome!

[MatrixGuy]

OK. I don't want to sound stupid.
But in the Netherlands where I live, bread is normal food.
Not the crappy stuff ppl "eat" in America. That stuff is so messed up with chemicals to have a bread ready in 1 hour, no nutrition left. You can eat a whole American bread, without feeling full, or 4 slices or European bread.

If I would have lived in Asia, I guess I mostly would eat rice, and in America mostly burgers? :P

I do need to say that I forgot to add my fruits, 1 or 2 per day.

I guess I'm a bit low on protein, but still a steady 3.5 grams per kg body mass.
The 5.2K calories is what I burn each day, without getting fat. If I lower it to 4K I lose weight. That's how my body works. Don't worry, I've been to more specialist then you have fingers.
They ALL follow nice lists, and come to the conclusion that a list not always work.
If they see what I eat, they don't believe me, or say I must be freaking FAT
Only thing I never done for a diet was give up smoking... I smoked about 10 cigarettes a day, but quit about a year ago.

The additional powder "only" gives (together with the milk) 700 cal.

I've been studding nutrition’s for about 7 or 8 years now.
I get enough of my normal vitamins, minerals, etc, etc, ect. If I would follow a normal diet, I'll be back to 54 kg in no time.

Don't forget I'm an ectomorph. That does require a bit different approach.

I'm not posting to be flamed. I'm serious about this. If you have constructive criticism,
please add.

I do have a daytime job.
Meaning (I live in the Netherlands, the country where we invented the traphic jam)
Get up 6.30
Get in the car 7.00
Get at the office 9.00 (it’s 60 km)
Work till 17.30 (eat something! mosty candy bars..)
Arrive at home 19.30
Sports/ Cook dinner/ sleep

My lunch is at the office. So. Mostly bread

POSITIVE suggestions are welcome!

Ok bro, what kind of bread is it thats different to any other? You shouldn't really eat bread, but if you can't then whole wheat bread is the only option. I work 5 days a week, from 8:30am till 5pm and i dont get home till about 6pm BUT i can still manage everything. You have to plan and prepare meals bro, thats what i do. Read the sticky i posted for you as that is a good outline for what your diet should look like.

[fhorst]

Bread and potato's are nr1 food in the Netherlands. And sure it's whole weat bread. Mostly added pompon seeds, sunfower seeds, nuts and other nice things. If some one is eating white bread, he/she better could eat nothing.......

looks like you have 3 hours more time to prepare meals

Time is a big problem for me, but that is how my life is. I still got a job, and that's a big thing these days.
Traphic should be better is a month or so, my company is moving closer to my home, giving beter public transport options. should save me 1.5 to 2 hours travel time per day!

[fhorst]

OK m8t's,

I've been going over the UNoffical "How to Bulk" thread and sample diet... a few times.

If you guys are a bit flexible and think with me, exept for protein (and Glutamine) intake, it surely not as bad as you guys want to make it look.

- I have a 2 hour lasting breakfast in the traphic jam, eating "3 breakfast" meals
- Normal lunch, with 6 to 8 slices of bread ( and YES, there is a HUGE difference in bread types, nutrician value etc. ever tried a french bread? or croissant? or muesly bread? etc.)
- After work, my candy bards are often muesly bars/ etc -> suggestions are welcome!
What can you safe for 10 hours in a hot car, and eat in a traphic jam?
- dinner looks OK to me
- "meal before sleeping" looks OK to me also.

Quote:
"Some good examples of low glycemic carbs are brown rice, yams, and oatmeal. Others may include whole wheat bread, whole wheat pasta."

This diet may not be your choise, but instead telling it's wrong, be contructive and tell me what is wrong and why? --> and give a good sugestion.

[stupidhippo]

2 me its obvious this gut doesnt have a normal metabolism and we shouldnt apply normal rules with him.This guy is only under 140 pounds (and that is after the weight gaining). If u wanna gain waight just make sure u get nuff protein and then on top of that in ur case I believe it is ok to eat crap also.. Like cmon, this guy doesnt gain any weight when he eats like a guy double his size. I am not advising u to eat so much that u gain fat but find the balance that works 4 u. Have u gotten all ur bloodwork and tests done? DO u have ne medical conditions i.e. hyper thyroidism or whatever.. ? In ur case I see no problem in eating a lil crappy, really. Maybe sum1 with more experience can advise u also, but that works 4 my logic in physiology and biochemistry, have studied both so have some knowledge there.. Remember u prolly dont want to put on just extra fat so watch out 4 that.

[stupidhippo]

yeah - and find ot facts about AAS... - REALLY!!

[fhorst]

Whow. you're good. "hyper thyroidism" ... did a quick search on google, been reading some. Sounds like me

I've done several blood tests, but no results there (only that my vit-b levels where a bit to low)
I'm kind of "hyper active", with a fast metabolism.
It's some I have had "for ever" (as long as I can remember)

I'll read more about hyper thyroidism, and see if I can get my doctor to give me a test for that.

I'm still reading up on AAS, there are many kinds.
There are many ways to use them
They are all wrong (you just should not use them......)

D-bol, test-e, sust, is a good como. That I started a but early with the D-bol, should not be a problem.
If I didn't go on this site, I would have used D-bol with winnies (that's what a m8 in the gym does, and he is HUGE)

From there, D-bol with sust/test-e is a good combo
And gaining mass the natural way......... Yeah...... sorry, not for my body!
I guess that for my type of body they INVENTED Oxandrolone........ but I can not get my doctor to give me a description :P

[stupidhippo]

Yeah go to ur doctor n find out bout stuff coz what u r talking bout really aint normal IMO, maybe u will find an easy solution that will make u b able 2 get big!. I also know ppl who gotten nice results on dbol only cycles.. Not saying that is smart - IT IS NOT! Ppl here IMO have good instructions on how to build balanced cycles with minimal side-effects etc... On matters conserning steroid use etc many ppl here seem to have extensive knowledge.

[sooners04]

Honestly your diet blows, how can you seriously say you have been studying nutrition for years and yet you eat CANDY BARS! Then your putting chocalate and cheese on bread, no wonder your body only gets fatty. And you drink more coffee a day than ten people, try to cut the caffeine down to maybe one or two cups A DAY. I beleive caffeine speeds up your heart rate and hence burns more energy (calories).

[stupidhippo]

caffeine might do that a little but not to the extent he is burning calories.. I seriously doubt it at least. Remember with a diet like that this guy weighed b4 the dbols like 125 pounds...

[russia dog]

candy bars.. insulin spikee

[fhorst]

candy bars.. insulin spikee

Thanks for the explenation.

But what's wrong with that? After a whole day working, I do need the energy burst for the traphic jam, otherwise I'm sure I'll be getting an accident.
Yes, it's "quick" energy. Sure, it's not the best type.
but between dozing off behind the weel in a traphic-jam, or a candy bar.....

I did try fruit-sugar also, but that gives a to short energy burst. candy bars with nuts in them, last longer.

so.. what's wrong with insulin spike?

[stupidhippo]

Insulin spike doesnt give u energy at all.. On the contrary even.. For example : Drink a bunch of sugarry stuff b4 training and c how it goes. Then to my understanding insulin spikes arent as good 2 protein synthesis as a steady levels.. I cant remember in more detail now, maybe sum1 can ediucate u more,,

[SwoleCat]

POSITIVE suggestions are welcome!

I am POSITIVE that your approach is horrid.


Really, I'd get to the diet forum and have people help you out.
Think of how much better you'd do with a GOOD APPROACH.

~SC~