Test E firstimer

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06-11-2005, 11:20 AM
scav

Test E firstimer

This is my first cycle on Test E (wich will be stacking with Winstrol in the end).
I will run 20ml og test @ 500mg ew, and I also got 20ml og Winstrol.
Also got 66 tabs of clomid +hcg is on the way.

I have three simple questions

1. When i did my first injection last night (Delt) it felt okey, just a little hot on the spot.
Now 24 hours later its still a bit hot on the spot, it hurst quite good and feels really tender.
Is this normal?

2. When should I start the winny, and at wich doses?

3. Is clomid really enough? Should I only use it if i spot gyno? Will it keep me safe while on HCG too?

Hope for a quick reply here bros!
06-11-2005, 12:43 PM
scav

Help please, bump.
06-11-2005, 12:58 PM
biggun24

not real sure about your injection spot, should be ok. im usually alittle sore a day or two after. definatly run clomid in your pct. you may need to get some nolvadex to protect from gyno. not sure about clomid and the hcg someone who knows will reply im sure. as far as the winny goes id run it at 50mg ed or 100 eod, im not sure what mg you have or if you have enough with only 20ml. run it the last 6 weeks of your cycle. hope i helped some.
06-11-2005, 01:02 PM
JohnnyB

If you add hcg start it as soon as you get it at 300-500iu every 3-5 days, save the winny for down the run. I don't like 17aa gear until you have 3 or 4 cycle under your belt

JohnnyB
06-11-2005, 01:12 PM
scav

So I should keep the winny for a later cycle, I follow you bro. Thanks. - By the way; its not my first cycle, I did a 30ml Masteron cycle 2 months ago, if that makes any difference.
Wanna do it right, so I take your advice :)

But, is Clomid enough for all? I mean, does it protectNolvadex?

The spots is still kinda sore, but I guess it will pass. Should i inject in my ass and not my arms?
06-11-2005, 02:04 PM
Booz

did you inject all in 1 go or are you splittin the shots twice weekly?
06-11-2005, 02:10 PM
nothillguy

How fast are you injecting? Take your time. oil based can be slow through some gage needles. Make sure you aspirate before injection. Relax before your inject a tense muscle can cause some issues. just a few tips
06-11-2005, 02:10 PM
MCMARK

might wanna get some nolva from ARR and do 10-20ml ed.that vshould put ur mind at ease and help protect against sides..gl
06-11-2005, 02:14 PM
bignatt

you def want to get nolva run it at 10mg/day
06-11-2005, 02:17 PM
thejuiceisloose

you need to get nolva definately & like it was previously said I would run Test E only for 10 to 12 weeks @ 500mg per wk. 250mg on Mon. 250mg on Thur. Make sure you follow proper PCT
06-11-2005, 04:45 PM
scav

So Clomid is not enough? I dont know where to get nolva quick. Shouldi order some liquid arimidex?

I do 500mg at once, one on each side, like biceps - biceps, delt - delt etc.
06-11-2005, 04:47 PM
Booz

you should split the dose to twice weekly mate say mond-thurs,this way your blood levels will be more stable and you will have less chances of sides.
06-11-2005, 04:48 PM
scav

Ok, so I do 250mg next friday? And then 250mg at monday?
06-11-2005, 04:48 PM
bignatt

ordder liquid nolva top right hand of your screen
06-11-2005, 04:49 PM
scav

Long deliverytime to norway?
06-11-2005, 04:50 PM
Booz

Quote:

Originally Posted by scav

Ok, so I do 250mg next friday? And then 250mg at monday?

yes mate that is better than doin all the same day.
06-11-2005, 04:51 PM
scav

Quote:

Originally Posted by booz

yes mate that is better than doin all the same day.

Roger, ill do that.

But is Clomid not enough? I need nolva too?
06-12-2005, 08:21 AM
scav

bump - please.
06-12-2005, 10:11 AM
Booz

yes you will need nolvadex(tamoxifen) also mate,it is essential.
06-12-2005, 10:31 AM
scav

Okey, Ill order it today. How long will it take to get to norway?Tamox 50mL 20mg/mL

I have ordered 2 bottles of Tamox 50mL 20mg/mL.
So I just drink 1ml a day?
06-12-2005, 01:36 PM
scav

Will it hurt bad everytime i inject? I mean, if its allways going to be this sore on the spot i cant work out the injected muscles :(
06-12-2005, 01:41 PM
Swifto

Quote:

Originally Posted by scav

Will it hurt bad everytime i inject? I mean, if its allways going to be this sore on the spot i cant work out the injected muscles :(

Change up your injection sites. Delts, Glutes and Quad's.
06-12-2005, 01:43 PM
scav

I did my first injection in my Delts, and it has been sore for 3 days now. I cant work out arms at this level of soreness. You think this will pass? Maby the fact that I injected 1ml enan@250mg/ml into each Delt at once has something to do with that?

When I was on Masteron the soreness went over after 2-3 injections, and it did not matter where I injected after that.
06-12-2005, 04:35 PM
scav

bump
06-12-2005, 05:41 PM
forsz

I find that pain peaks at 40 hours after shot. Is ur pain GETTING WORSE???? Do u have fever? Other than pain , u haven't mentioned worrisome symptoms other than "warm" . I would worry about Hot, Red , fever, getting worse. I've read alot about it on web and in the forums. Some of the info is summarized in my thread on Anonymous Infection Treatment and also on a thread by Recklace. U might want to c if u can get some antibiotics ASAP just in case u need them. There ARE cases of users having such problems ( including apparent infection ) which cured themselves over time. From what i've seen, most cases involve users being helped by antibiotics-- even tho most web articles say that antibiotics won't suffice (esp if abscess forms) I can't judge ur pain tolerance. IMO Test prop hurts 5x as much as Test E or C ( which i consider minor). 1ml is not too much for Delts. So it IS possible somethings wrong if u r suffering THAT much from E. Feel free to PM me if u r really worried.
06-13-2005, 08:35 AM
scav

I got a bit red, about 5cm around the spot on my right delt. The other side is just sore and abit tender.

Guess its supposed to be painfull :)
06-13-2005, 12:29 PM
thejuiceisloose

Quote:

Originally Posted by scav

I got a bit red, about 5cm around the spot on my right delt. The other side is just sore and abit tender.

Guess its supposed to be painfull :)

What's the ba% content of your gear? Are you rubbing for about 2 minutes after injecting? How fast are you injecting?
06-13-2005, 12:35 PM
scav

Ba% No idea, does not say on the bottle. Its UGL.
I did not rub, and I injected 1ml in each spot in about 15sec each. Too fast I guess.
06-13-2005, 12:54 PM
thejuiceisloose

Quote:

Originally Posted by scav

Ba% No idea, does not say on the bottle. Its UGL.
I did not rub, and I injected 1ml in each spot in about 15sec each. Too fast I guess.

Could be all those factors. Next injection take your time, it's not a race. Then after rub for about 2 min. Taking a hot shower before injecting has helped me & a lot of guys here, try it.

~theJuice~
06-13-2005, 01:02 PM
scav

Thanks man, ill try it :)