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    water gain on prop.....

    Just wondering, say in a 10 week course of 150mg prop EOD and 50mg VAR ED, say if I gained 14lbs over the course. How much can you expect to be water ???

    I know prop doesnt hold too much but its still test in the end so it must hold some ???

    Thanks

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    for me, maby 5 pounds

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    anyone else have oppinons on this please ?

    I guess 5 lbs out of 14 wouldnt be TOO bad!

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    water is usually about 40-60%

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    ya it shouldnt be much more then that.. may even be a little less.

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    5lbs of water on that cycle? I'm surprised to see that. Var's not going to put water on you. And Prop doesn't seem to make me hold as much water as cyp or enanth, especially at lower doses. Though I find that diet plays a big role in that. Anyway, if you have every thing dialed in correctly dietwise, I doubt you'd have much water at all to shed post cycle. Couple pounds maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dive_kid
    for me, maby 5 pounds
    I just finished a 6 week cycle of 100 mg/EOD test prop and 50 mg/ED winny. I gained 4 lbs of water during that time. So 5 lbs on a 10 week cycle seems about right to me....

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    Yeah, I'm half way through a Prop/var cycle and I don't feel like I'm holding any water at all.......Prop is good stuff! Up 8lbs thus far!

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    Ok guys. So far, Ive gained about 7lbs in the 5 weeks and dont feel like ANY is water. I also feel like I have lost fat. I just wanted to be prepared for the water loss at the end and to know how much to expect! Thanks

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    l-dex

    Quote Originally Posted by dazbo
    Ok guys. So far, Ive gained about 7lbs in the 5 weeks and dont feel like ANY is water. I also feel like I have lost fat. I just wanted to be prepared for the water loss at the end and to know how much to expect! Thanks
    Throw some L-dex in there, water retention will be reduced even more.

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    dazbo, just curious what is your diet like? I'm about to do the exact cycle your on...... Also, how much cardio do you do?

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    diet is pretty spot on, swya off a bit at the weekends but I call these my cheat days so my body doesnt get used to it. I get around 2500-3000cals - here it is -

    Meal 1 –
    • ALL PLUS FLAX OIL
    • Scrambled Egg whites x 6 + Protein Shake

    64g Prot 8g carbs 31g fat 547 cals
    Meal 2 –
    • 2 x Tuna Pattie (3)
    • 150g Lean turkey Mince (2)
    • Tin Tuna (1)
    36g prot 0g carbs 4g fat 180 cals (1)
    36g prot 0g carbs 13g fat 261 cals (2)
    50g prot 13g carbs 17g fat 434 cals (3)
    Meal 3 –
    • Chicken Breasts x 2

    88g prot 2g carbs 1g fat 369cals
    Meal 4 PreWO –
    • Whey Protein + 0.5cup Oats (Blended)

    49g prot 33g carbs 6g fat 364 cals
    Meal 5 –PWO
    • 40g Whey Protein + 80g Dextrose

    43g prot 82g carbs 4g fat 513 cals
    Meal 6 –
    • Chicken + Brown Rice + Veg (1)
    • Chicken + Pasta (Wholemeal) (2)
    • Tuna, Pasta, Mayo (4)
    • Tuna Bol + Pasta (Wholemeal) (5)
    • Chicken Breasts x 2 + Curry Sauce + Brown Rice (3)
    • Fish + Any of above side options

    78g prot 62g carbs 3g fat 587 cals
    Meal 7 -
    • Tin Tuna Plus Flax (2)
    • 6 x Scrambled Egg Whites (1)

    21g prot 2g carbs 14g fat 219 cals (1)
    36g prot 0g carbs 18g fat 300 cals
    2980cals 395gpro 195g carb 71g Fat = 53:26:21

    Totals = 3114cals 408g Prot 200g Carbs 80g Fat Ratios = 52:25:23 (P:C:F) (3)
    Totals = 2980cals 395g Prot 195g Carbs 71g Fat Ratios = 53:26:21 (P:C:F) avg
    Totals = 2843cals 379g Prot 190g Carbs 63g Fat Ratios = 53:27:20 (P:C:F) (1)

    I must admit one of big big mistakes is missing my last meal. I am starting to get into it now though. On days when I dont train, my preWO shake doesnt have oats and I dont have the PWO shake for obvious reason so carbs are a lot lower. I went from 87k up to 90.75k. Then last week, I spen 6 days laying a patio and doing a lot of heavy work in the garden. This was from 930am to 830pm. I didnt go to the gym and all I ate were the following (As a kind of experiment) -

    breakfast - 6egg whites scrambled
    dinner - 2 chicken breasts in marinade
    aft break - protein bar (Homemade with peanut butter,oats and protein powder)
    Tea - as above in normal diet

    that was it pretty much! I lost only 0.75kg from this whole week. I have a shoulder injury so thats one reason why I stayed off the gym and will have to do so for the next week at least.

    Hope this helps

    P.S. I have lost some fat yet still feel just as, if not more muscular now even though the scales say Ive lost weight!

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    Thats alot of protein. How are the strenght gains on prop and what brand are you using. I use Virorome myself almost painless.

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    Yea that helps, thanks... I know now I need to be eating more.... Let me ask you another question... Are you getting acne from doing eod injections?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dazbo
    diet is pretty spot on, swya off a bit at the weekends but I call these my cheat days so my body doesnt get used to it. I get around 2500-3000cals - here it is -

    Meal 1 –
    • ALL PLUS FLAX OIL
    • Scrambled Egg whites x 6 + Protein Shake

    64g Prot 8g carbs 31g fat 547 cals
    Meal 2 –
    • 2 x Tuna Pattie (3)
    • 150g Lean turkey Mince (2)
    • Tin Tuna (1)
    36g prot 0g carbs 4g fat 180 cals (1)
    36g prot 0g carbs 13g fat 261 cals (2)
    50g prot 13g carbs 17g fat 434 cals (3)
    Meal 3 –
    • Chicken Breasts x 2

    88g prot 2g carbs 1g fat 369cals
    Meal 4 PreWO –
    • Whey Protein + 0.5cup Oats (Blended)

    49g prot 33g carbs 6g fat 364 cals
    Meal 5 –PWO
    • 40g Whey Protein + 80g Dextrose

    43g prot 82g carbs 4g fat 513 cals
    Meal 6 –
    • Chicken + Brown Rice + Veg (1)
    • Chicken + Pasta (Wholemeal) (2)
    • Tuna, Pasta, Mayo (4)
    • Tuna Bol + Pasta (Wholemeal) (5)
    • Chicken Breasts x 2 + Curry Sauce + Brown Rice (3)
    • Fish + Any of above side options

    78g prot 62g carbs 3g fat 587 cals
    Meal 7 -
    • Tin Tuna Plus Flax (2)
    • 6 x Scrambled Egg Whites (1)

    21g prot 2g carbs 14g fat 219 cals (1)
    36g prot 0g carbs 18g fat 300 cals
    2980cals 395gpro 195g carb 71g Fat = 53:26:21

    Totals = 3114cals 408g Prot 200g Carbs 80g Fat Ratios = 52:25:23 (P:C:F) (3)
    Totals = 2980cals 395g Prot 195g Carbs 71g Fat Ratios = 53:26:21 (P:C:F) avg
    Totals = 2843cals 379g Prot 190g Carbs 63g Fat Ratios = 53:27:20 (P:C:F) (1)

    I must admit one of big big mistakes is missing my last meal. I am starting to get into it now though. On days when I dont train, my preWO shake doesnt have oats and I dont have the PWO shake for obvious reason so carbs are a lot lower. I went from 87k up to 90.75k. Then last week, I spen 6 days laying a patio and doing a lot of heavy work in the garden. This was from 930am to 830pm. I didnt go to the gym and all I ate were the following (As a kind of experiment) -

    breakfast - 6egg whites scrambled
    dinner - 2 chicken breasts in marinade
    aft break - protein bar (Homemade with peanut butter,oats and protein powder)
    Tea - as above in normal diet

    that was it pretty much! I lost only 0.75kg from this whole week. I have a shoulder injury so thats one reason why I stayed off the gym and will have to do so for the next week at least.

    Hope this helps

    P.S. I have lost some fat yet still feel just as, if not more muscular now even though the scales say Ive lost weight!
    Jeez, I need to start eating like that. I'm getting lazy. I should pop over to the diet section once in a while...

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    Yeah my prop is also viromone - like you say, practically painless!!

    And no, no acne.

    As for eating MORE - that diet I made was designed so that I would LOSE fat and gain maybe a little muscle (The more the better obviously).

    I cant say how much Ive increased in strength tho. The first 3 week or so I didnt experience any gain at all. Not a sniff!! But cos of my shoulder injury, ive kept off lifting for the past 1.5-2wks and only done my garden work for 1 week constant. I dont want to make the injury worse and be out for longer - even tho it is killing me being off the gym! Especially while on such a good and EXPENSIVE cycle!

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    Also, regards the high protein. Protein synthesis is increased when using anabolics and seeming as though the standard amount is 1-2g per lb bodyweight (Muscle bodyweight that is - not fat inc) then I would assume I am 180lbs muscle so double that is 360 plus another about 10% makes near 400g protein per day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dazbo
    Also, regards the high protein. Protein synthesis is increased when using anabolics and seeming as though the standard amount is 1-2g per lb bodyweight (Muscle bodyweight that is - not fat inc) then I would assume I am 180lbs muscle so double that is 360 plus another about 10% makes near 400g protein per day.
    Just saying I'm 60 pounds heavier then you but you take in 40 more grams then me.

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    well in that case it would seem a lot. But, for me, yours is low!

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